Surgical Abortions
There are many methods of abortion. The procedure used depends largely upon the stage of pregnancy and the size of the unborn child. Dr. J.C. Willke, in his book, Abortion Questions and Answers (Hayes Publishing Co. Inc, Cincinnati, 1985), has divided the methods of abortion into three main categories: those that invade the uterus and kill the child by instruments which enter the uterus through the cervix; those that kill the preborn child by administration of drugs and then induce labour and the delivery of a dead baby; and, those that invade the uterus by abdominal surgery.
Dilation of the uterus is required in cervical methods of abortion. The usual method of dilation is to insert a series of instruments of increasing size into the cervix. A set of dilators, metallic curved instruments, are used to open the cervix sufficiently to accommodate the instruments of abortion. In contrast with a normal birth, where the dilation occurs slowly over a period of many hours, the forceful stretching by the abortionist to open the cervix takes a matter of seconds. This premature and unnatural stretching of the cervix can result in permanent physical injury to the mother.
Laminaria (dehydrated material, usually seaweed) is sometimes used to reduce damage to the cervix. Inserted into the cervix the day before the scheduled abortion, it absorbs water and swells, gradually pushing open the cervix in the process.
Eight-week pre-born baby
At eight to nine weeks the eyelids have begun forming and hair appears. By the ninth and tenth weeks the preborn child sucks her thumb, turns somersaults, jumps, can squint to close out light, frown, swallow, and move her tongue.
At this early stage of development, suction abortions are performed using a smaller tube, requiring little dilation of the cervix. This is called "menstrual extraction." However, if all the fetal remains are not removed, infection results, requiring full dilation of the cervix and a scraping out of the womb.
Suction Aspiration
This is the most common method of abortion during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. General or local anaesthesia is given to the mother and her cervix is quickly dilated. A suction curette (hollow tube with a knife-edged tip) is inserted into the womb. This instrument is then connected to a vacuum machine by a transparent tube. The vacuum suction, 29 times more powerful than a household vacuum cleaner, tears the fetus and placenta into small pieces which are sucked through the tube into a bottle and discarded.
Dilation and Curettage (D&C)
This method is similar to the suction method with the added insertion of a hook shaped knife (curette) which cuts the baby into pieces. The pieces are scraped out through the cervix and discarded [Note: This abortion method should not be confused with a therapeutic D&C done for reasons other than pregancy.]
Twelve-week pre-born baby
By the end of the third month all arteries are present, including the coronary vessels of the heart. Blood is circulating through these vessels to all body parts.
The heart beat ranges during this fetal period from 110 to 160 beats per minute. All blood cells are produced by the liver and spleen, a job soon taken over by the bone marrow. White blood cells, important for immunity, are formed in the lymph nodes and thymus.
Vocal chords are complete, and the child can and does sometimes cry (silently). The brain is fully formed, and the child can feel pain. The fetus may even suck his thumb. The eyelids now cover the eyes, and will remain shut until the seventh month to protect the delicate optical nerve fibers.
14 weeks - Muscles lenghten and become organized. The mother will soon start feeling the first flutters of the baby kicking and moving inside.
15 weeks - The fetus has an adult's taste buds and may be able to savor the mother's meals.
16 weeks - Five and a half inches tall and only six ounces in weight, eyebrows, eyelashes and fine hair appear. The child can grasp with his hands, kick, or even somersault.
Eighteen week pre-born baby
The fetus is now about 5 inches long. The child blinks, grasps, and moves her mouth. Hair grows on the head and body.
20 weeks - The child can hear and recognize mother's voice. Though still small and fragile, the baby is growing rapidly and could possibly survive if born at this stage. Fingernails and fingerprints appear. Sex organs are visible. Using an ultrasound device, the doctor can tell if the child is a girl or a boy. The one on the left is a baby girl.
Dilation and Evacuation (D&E)
This method is used up to 18 weeks' gestation. Instead of the loop-shaped knife used in D&C abortions, a pair of forceps is inserted into the womb to grasp part of the fetus. The teeth of the forceps twist and tear the bones of the unborn child. This process is repeated until the fetus is totally dismembered and removed. Usually the spine must be snapped and the skull crushed in order to remove them.
Salt Poisoning (Saline Injection):
Used after 16 weeks (four months) when enough fluid has accumulated. A long needle injects a strong salt solution through the mother's abdomen into the baby's sac. The baby swallows this fluid and is poisoned by it. It also acts as a corrosive, burning off the outer layer of skin. It normally takes somewhat over an hour for the baby to die from this. Within 24 hours, labor will usually set in and the mother will give birth to a dead or dying baby. (There have been many cases of these babies being born alive. They are usually left unattended to die. However, a few have survived and later been adopted.)
Six month pre-born baby
Seen here at six months, the unborn child is covered with a fine, downy hair called lanugo. Its tender skin is protected by a waxy substance called vernix. Some of this substance may still be on the child's skin at birth at which time it will be quickly absorbed. The child practices breathing by inhaling amnionic fluid into developing lungs.
Prostaglandin Chemical Abortion:
This form of abortion uses chemicals developed by the Upjohn Pharmaceutical Co. which cause the uterus to contract intensely, pushing out the developing baby. The contractions are more violent than normal, natural contractions, so the unborn baby is frequently killed by them -- some have even been decapitated. Many, however, have also been born alive.
Hysterotomy or Caesarean Section:
Used mainly in the last three months of pregnancy, the womb is entered by surgery through the wall of the abdomen. The technique is similar to a Caesarean delivery, except that the umbilical cord is usually cut while the baby is still in the womb, thus cutting off his oxygen supply and causing him to suffocate. Sometimes the baby is removed alive and simply left in a corner to die of neglect or exposure.
30 weeks - For several months, the umbilical cord has been the baby's lifeline to the mother. Nourishment is transferred from the mother's blood, through the placenta, and into the umbilical cord to the fetus. If the mother ingests any toxic substances, such as drugs or alcohol, the baby receives these as well.
32 weeks - The fetus sleeps 90-95% of the day, and sometimes experiences REM sleep, an indication of dreaming.
Five steps to a partial birth abortion:
1) Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's legs with forceps.
2) The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
3) The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head
4) The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the skull.
5) The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.
40 weeks - The baby, now approximately seven and a half pounds, is ready for life outside its mother's womb. At birth the placenta will detach from the side of the uterus and the umbilical cord will cease working as the child takes his first breaths of air. The child's breathing will trigger changes in the structure of the heart and bypass arteries which will force all blood to now travel through the lungs.
Cautiouslizard wrote:I am not saying that I would do it myself because I wouldn't not be able to live with myself. But there are different reasons for others to actually go through with it. I do not agree with women getting a abortion for no other reason than they just couldn't keep their legs closed but don't want a baby. I find that would be wrong but still up to them to live with the guilt that comes with it. But you cannot make someone feel assashed until you walked in their shoes. That's all I'm saying. Everyone has their reasons for doing what they do.
I woulnd't be able to deal with the guilt wether it's because I just don't want to be pregnant or if it's because of medical problems. But some might think they have good reasons. I wouldn't be able to figure out a justifiable reason for me to go through with a abortion. But I'm just not against women that chooses to take that process for whatever reason they have.
It doesn't matter what you think is right or wrong. It's up to the mother making the decision. She has her reason to do so and who are you to tell her not to? She has her reason and she is the one to make the decision she thinks is best. Yes some people make the wrong ones for the wrong reason. But some do make it for the right ones and that is not up to you to decide which ones are right and which ones are wrong for someone else.
Yes it is a women???s decision, but let???s take rape out of the equation. Now it was also her decision to lie on her back. So in my opinion, you put it in, you push it out hunny. Rape is tragic, but if a child is the result of rape..do not give me that whole ??? mother will see the baby of her rapist??? bull because she can out it up for adoption. Sure it is painful for her, but so is having salt injected to kill. That guy is a whinner. Period. My friend Chris is an alcohol baby. My friend Karen has spent her life in a wheel chair because of a mistake her mom made with drugs. My friend???s brother Tim is mentally retarded because of drugs used during his development. All of these people MEAN something in this world and has as much right to life as you and I. I don???t care if you say ??? its the woman???s choice??? because nobody besides God should say who lives in dies. It is NEVER your place to kill ANYBODY. What part of that is so hard for you people to comprehend? Am I not saying it clear enough? DO-NOT-KILL-BABIES! There..that???s pretty clear. I hate the thought of it, and women who do have apportion should feel guilty, they killed a child. My friend died recently. His mom was 16 when she had him, and abortion was in her mind. If she had, I would not have met this amazing guy and he would never have touched our hearts as he did. You could be killing someone great. SO before you take the easy way out, remember your life and remember there are others who struggle to live, and you don???t give these people a chance. Pro-choice people. SHAME ON YOU!!!
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Well the whole thing about the animals and the bugs is bull. God made animals to eat and for fur. And I don???t give a rat???s ass if everyone thinks they have the right to kill a baby. They don???t have a right, and if the want to go to a butcher, let them, they will probably die to. How can you say ??? its not right for me??? but you Condon it? You my friend, are a victim of a luke warm society who is too damn scared to offended to insult anyone then to have an opinion. It is the ??? sitting on the fence??? attitude that makes me very angry, and I think if you have an opinion, don???t be on the fence. This is another part of political-correctness, and it is turning our citizens into quivering babies. Abortion IS wrong, and I don???t care if you think I have a right to say that because its ??? my choice??? its not my choice, its god choice. Why don???t these children get a choice? At fifteen, I should be the one influenced by this society???s coward ways, but I am not. I know the pain these children go through so some teenage girl can save face to her mommy. I know the pain these children endure when they are injected with salt, and the mothers can feel the squirm, and scream. Don???t you dare tell me that is okay!! Yeah it???s their choice to go to hell if they want to. That poor kid never had a chance to be someone great. Killing a bug and a baby are very different things; don???t try to pull me with that bullshit. I am not a vegetarian; I just don???t really like the taste of meat so I don???t eat it a lot. Do I think eating meat is wrong? No, Jesus ate lamb. Are you calling Jesus a murderer? Would Jesus kill a baby? Ah, very different indeed. Anyone who condons it needs a good kick in the pants because they are cold hearted, evil, self-centered murderers. ABORTION IS SELFISH!!
Cautiouslizard wrote:It doesn't matter what you think is right or wrong. It's up to the mother making the decision. She has her reason to do so and who are you to tell her not to? She has her reason and she is the one to make the decision she thinks is best. Yes some people make the wrong ones for the wrong reason. But some do make it for the right ones and that is not up to you to decide which ones are right and which ones are wrong for someone else.
I have changed the mind of a girl my age, dispite her mom???s views, I told her that her baby was a person and it was her choice not her moms. She has a beautiful boy name David. He big blue eyes and is very happy and well taken care of. I do not believe in degrading women over it either, but we are saying the things doctors do not say. It is not part of judging them, it is judging an action taken that took a life on another person. Okay, a man molests a child, do not judge them, only god can judge. A man kills your son, do not judge him though. DO you see my point?
Cautiouslizard wrote:If you guys opinion can change some women's mind, I have to applaud you because yes I do believe in giving the baby a chance to live. I'm just not for people that make others feel less just because of their personnal point of views. We are not God and we are not the ones that should judge someone's decisions in life. You do what you want with your life but don't judge someone's decisions. That's all I've been trying through out htis post.
Cautiouslizard wrote:Abortion isn't against the law so you cannot compair it to murder. It is pro choice. It doesn't matter if you or anyone else thinks it's wrong. Until teh law gets changed women have a choice and they will keep on making those decisions whether it's imorral to you or not. It's not up to you. If you get to change their minds good for you.
Hahaha, our government does not pass laws like that....... We are far behind the U.S. in being a "true" democracy. We're much more socialist then the U.S. . Pure and true democracy fails because the general public is stupid.
Faulty wrote:Hahaha, our government does not pass laws like that....... We are far behind the U.S. in being a "true" democracy. We're much more socialist then the U.S. . Pure and true democracy fails because the general public is stupid.
In three years I can have a say in that happens in this country, right now my opinion means crap all. It bothers me how adults do not use their power to stand up, yet you coward down and let the government walk on you. You follow this feel good society which is on the fence and luke warm. Shame on all of you
Bulert wrote:It is legal because some women feel the need to murder their fetus. It is proven that the majority of the population is Pro-choice..so is the law for the people?
That's why is is not against the law. Most people see it as teh mother's right to choose.
The majority of the people believe in pro-life. It is a very slight majority, but none the less...
Cautiouslizard wrote:If it isn't because anyone agrees with it, then why would people do it and alot fight for the right to keep abortion legal?
Bulert wrote:Oh, is it wrong to believe in something knowing what you have been given? I am sorry, do you want us to agree with you? isn???t going to happen..
Hey chickie I'm not the one writing in big bold letters here and I'm not the one compairing this to rapist and molestation. You guys are. I am a paralegal, I am aware of the laws in Canada and sorry that it is not against the law to have a abortion. If you don't like it don't have one.
Cautiouslizard wrote: Bulert wrote:Oh, is it wrong to believe in something knowing what you have been given? I am sorry, do you want us to agree with you? isn???t going to happen.. Hey chickie I'm not the one writing in big bold letters here and I'm not the one compairing this to rapist and molestation. You guys are. I am a paralegal, I am aware of the laws in Canada and sorry that it is not against the law to have a abortion. If you don't like it don't have one.
Faulty wrote:If we're going to do this, then. Dan, it does not matter what you say. You'll never change your mind about anything, even if you're wrong. I have simply come to that conclusion based on anything I've seen you write/say. You're stuck in your ways. There's no point arguing with you.
Bulert wrote:Like you said..stats are crap..I know the truth..so all that copy and pasted info isnt going to get you anywhere..
How is any of your data any more reputable than mine? I can find thousands of studies, polls and articles that support abortion. You can tell me I'm wrong thousands of times, but it doesn't mean I am.
Bulert wrote:He is an extremist? And you are another clone in this crappy society.
I'm a clone? How is that exactly.
Dan, look at your posts. You stereotype Muslims and homosexuals, you blindly support Israel, you fight for all things biblical 100%. You try to pass off COMPLETELY rediculous statistics as fact. If I tell you to look at both sides you ignore it and continue to fight your view on things. You refuse to believe anyone else MIGHT be right. You're an extremist.
Bulert wrote:Those stats are crap. It is biologically proven a fetus is human..and a baby..have you checked a science book? Does it feel pain=yes does it scream=yes..oh but its not human.!
You do realize that the majority of abortions are done prior to 12 weeks right?
Yes, I agree dan is an extremist. He is extremely moral, loyal, decent, and the kind of man any mother would love to see her daughter come home with after school.
Bulert wrote: Yes, I agree dan is an extremist. He is extremely moral, loyal, decent, and the kind of man any mother would love to see her daughter come home with after school.
That's a matter of opinion.
Faulty wrote: Bulert wrote: Yes, I agree dan is an extremist. He is extremely moral, loyal, decent, and the kind of man any mother would love to see her daughter come home with after school. That's a matter of opinion.
I bet you will never be able to bring anyone with such morals home to meet your parents..It is a matter of truth
a matter of truth
Bulert wrote: Faulty wrote: Bulert wrote: Yes, I agree dan is an extremist. He is extremely moral, loyal, decent, and the kind of man any mother would love to see her daughter come home with after school. That's a matter of opinion. I bet you will never be able to bring anyone with such morals home to meet your parents..It is a matter of truth
Haha, you don't know me. You don't know my friends. You don't know any of the women I've been involved with. I'd be offended, but that is a rediculous statement. Morality, loyalty, etc. exist in others who don't necessarily agree with you.
Faulty wrote:It's not my point to intimidate anyone. I believe Dan has the right to say and fight for anything he believes in. However, I also have the right to tell him he's wrong and vice versa. I would fight viciously for any of your civil rights but I have no problem standing up and telling people the way I see it. Why is it you want me to take a crack at you exactly?
Bulert wrote:You are behond argumentative. Everytime there is a thread you get in there with almost hostility. Like with notme and the gays..he had his opinion and you never really let him. You are just as guilty at being stubborn as Dan faulty..your impossible to convince. Actually debating you makes my fingers very sore
Everytime? Blanket statements are a good way of making a fool of yourself. Have any of my posts so far in this seemed hostile? They've been typed as completely calm. The fact is, that whole thread about homosexuality wasn't a place for debate, that wasn't its intent. He came in with the intent to stir up ***. So he got it.
Bulert wrote:We have so many people go through life believing in nothing, have no real hope or closure for after death. Religion had held people back from science, I do agree in some places, I am not an obsessive Christina who was like 100 crosses on my walls..It isn???t that extreme. I just have something to believe in. I do take science seriously, and when it comes to science VS bible I am open minded. I do agree that It has held some things back
Bulert wrote:How many links do you keep stashed?
Well you are both intitled to your opinions, and i respect you as people, especially faulty. He is an intelligent guy, and he makes a good argument. Anyway, i am through with this thread Because this is one subject that never gets anywhere. It is one of the most controversial topics ever, and I think it is a little pointless to argue over something some of us will never have to deal with..So, I am moving on to another thread. I respect you CL because I know you have kids, and you still have the opinion you have. Thanks for the discussion Bye
I respect you CL because I know you have kids, and you still have the opinion you have. Thanks for the discussion
Bye
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Faulty wrote:Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope
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Faulty..i was being a bitch, one of my great characteristics. You are a great guy and probably an amazing judge of character. I am a teen girl, the bitchiness comes with the package, like extra luggage. Still think your great though
Bulert wrote: Faulty..i was being a bitch, one of my great characteristics. You are a great guy and probably an amazing judge of character. I am a teen girl, the bitchiness comes with the package, like extra luggage. Still think your great though And CL, I am glad your here, your a lot of fun, I just hope we will talk sometime soon and agree!
And CL, I am glad your here, your a lot of fun, I just hope we will talk sometime soon and agree!
I wasn't that worried about it.
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Ah and I didn't forget you Bulert. You ROCK the most you are very inteligent and yes we will meet again bye bye
Faulty wrote:I enjoy the fact that you respect me as a person but I have no chance of being with someone who is loyal or decent.
Lol now that's funny. I think your a great guy but I don't know you to judge that on I only know of you from what you write lol But your pretty awesome stuff up until now lol, just like Dan is awesome when not arguing something lol. (wouldn't want to be his wife haha) sorry joking. But you guys rock cause your not scared of stating you opinions.
P.S. Dan I sure hope you change alot of minds about abortion cause yes I agree the child should get a chance.
Cautiouslizard wrote: Faulty wrote:I enjoy the fact that you respect me as a person but I have no chance of being with someone who is loyal or decent. Lol now that's funny. I think your a great guy but I don't know you to judge that on I only know of you from what you write lol But your pretty awesome stuff up until now lol, just like Dan is awesome when not arguing something lol. (wouldn't want to be his wife haha) sorry joking. But you guys rock cause your not scared of stating you opinions. P.S. Dan I sure hope you change alot of minds about abortion cause yes I agree the child should get a chance.
Faulty wrote:I'm extremely sexy if that's what you mean.
WWJD wrote: Bulert wrote:We have so many people go through life believing in nothing, have no real hope or closure for after death. Religion had held people back from science, I do agree in some places, I am not an obsessive Christina who was like 100 crosses on my walls..It isn???t that extreme. I just have something to believe in. I do take science seriously, and when it comes to science VS bible I am open minded. I do agree that It has held some things backScience and the Bible agree 100%http://www.answersingenesis.org
I'm sure any serious scientiest would rip this passage apart
As you add up all of the dates, and accepting that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came to Earth almost 2000 years ago, we come to the conclusion that the creation of the Earth and animals (including the dinosaurs) occurred only thousands of years ago (perhaps only 6000!), not millions of years. Thus, if the Bible is right (and it is!), dinosaurs must have lived within the past thousands of years.
Science and the bible do not agree 100%. However it's a nice thought :) Oh, that's from your link. The idea of "young earth creationists" has been COMPLETELY destroyed by dating techniques and even simple logical argument. Is it possible that the bible is right and science is right as well? I'm sure it is, however the two views right now clash , mostly because people tend to believe 100% either way. Maybe once we pick out some more of the missing pieces we'll really understand what went on with the earth.
If all teh stats are crap, how do you know the truth.
p.s. Why is it horrible that I'm a paralegal?
Cautiouslizard wrote:If all teh stats are crap, how do you know the truth. p.s. Why is it horrible that I'm a paralegal?
Faulty wrote:In my experience it's quite often that people will usually go from one extreme to another. An extreme in any sense is not a healthy lifestyle.
WWJD wrote: Faulty wrote:In my experience it's quite often that people will usually go from one extreme to another. An extreme in any sense is not a healthy lifestyle.I agree with this statement.However, how is pro-life extreme?
I never said pro-life was extreme. You however are an extremist.
Bulert wrote:My mother lost her baby at 42 weeks. Now, she would have done ANYTHING to keep that little girl alive and you agree with abortion? SICK
Did someone hold her down and abort the baby? No? Then that argument makes no sense.
Faulty wrote: Bulert wrote:My mother lost her baby at 42 weeks. Now, she would have done ANYTHING to keep that little girl alive and you agree with abortion? SICK Did someone hold her down and abort the baby? No? Then that argument makes no sense.
WWJD wrote: Faulty wrote: Bulert wrote:My mother lost her baby at 42 weeks. Now, she would have done ANYTHING to keep that little girl alive and you agree with abortion? SICK Did someone hold her down and abort the baby? No? Then that argument makes no sense. The fact is that there are moms who would THEMSELVES die fo rthat aborted baby...to have it.is that bad?
Nope, some mothers would definitely rather give their own lives, or at least risk their own to give their child the opportunity to live theirs. However some would not.
WWJD wrote: Faulty wrote:If we're going to do this, then. Dan, it does not matter what you say. You'll never change your mind about anything, even if you're wrong. I have simply come to that conclusion based on anything I've seen you write/say. You're stuck in your ways. There's no point arguing with you.Correct, Faulty... .I will NEVER change my mind on certain issues, such as homo-sex, abortion, etc etc.I was once a fornicator and an all-around sinful person.Then, I was converted from sin to Jesus Christ.You're right; I wouldn't change my lifestyle as it is NOW for anything.
That's what you told me the first few times we met and you still sinned. what's so different now about you?
Dan correction 12% of the general population think having sex with a 10-13 year old is okay. See, I have to take this thing called Personal Development. It???s a joke, but the stas we are given are from Canada.
Abortion was our topic for speech and Debate. 30 kids in the class..12 per pro choice.. WAIT 12? So..18 kids are PRO-LIFE? That cant be true..We are the majority, and pro-life is a majority through Canada. BUT IT IS LEGAL?! Because CL you know because its legal it must be right? PFFTT!! NOPE
me you and dan go to a party, we eat meat, you don???t okay? But of course we cater to you because you???re the minority and we don???t want to offend you? Same thing..stupid society???ruining the future of humanity
Dan move on I'm getting annoyed with your obsured statements about rapist and pedophiles. It has nothing to do with that it has to do with something that is legal and that's it you can't compair it to those things. You want to think they way you do by all means go for it. I'm tired of hearing the same claims and seeing the same links that are made to benefit the group that made them. Move on. If you believe everything you read, hear and see good luck in life baby.
Oh really?
If a woman has sex, she has to pay the consequences. Too many women have abortions for their own convenience or on "whim."
This vindictive, self-righteous attitude stems from a belief that sex is bad and must be punished. Motherhood should never be punishment for having sex. Forcing a child to be born to punish its mother is the ultimate in child abuse. Anti-abortionists trivialize motherhood and childbirth by dismissing pregnancy as a mere inconvenience. They ignore or belittle the needs of the woman and the conflict she endures in making her decision. Guilt is inflicted when compassion is needed.
Most Canadians believe that abortion should be illegal. The majority rules in a democracy.
About 78% of Canadians believe that abortion is a private matter between a woman and her doctor. Human rights are guaranteed for everyone and are not subject to the whim of the electorate. Even if only a minority believed in freedom of choice, that right should be protected from the tyranny of the majority.
Abortion is dangerous and medically risky. It is not as safe as natural pregnancy. Abortion increases the risk of miscarriage in future pregnancies, and infertility.
The risk of dying from childbirth is about 13 times that for early abortion, and the overall abortion complication rate is extremely low, about 25 times lower than for childbirth. First-trimester abortion has become one of the safest and simplest medical procedures of all, one that can be quickly and routinely performed even by nurses as well as doctors. Having an abortion will not adversely affect a woman's future reproduction. Legalized abortion has had a positive impact on the health of American women by providing them with a safer way to terminate their pregnancies.
Abortion is the murder of a person.
Personhood at conception is a religious belief, not a provable biological fact.
Religious communities have differing ideas on the definition of "person" or when abortion is morally justified. In the Canadian courts, however, a fetus has consistently been found not to be a person with legal rights.
http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/abortioninfo/misconce.shtml
YAY propaganda!! BOTH SIDES CAN SKEW DATA YAY!!
Cautiouslizard wrote:Dan move on I'm getting annoyed with your obsured statements about rapist and pedophiles. It has nothing to do with that it has to do with something that is legal and that's it you can't compair it to those things. You want to think they way you do by all means go for it. I'm tired of hearing the same claims and seeing the same links that are made to benefit the group that made them. Move on. If you believe everything you read, hear and see good luck in life baby.
WWJD, how could you post this??? You know it's breaking hearts!!
As a mom of 4 beautiful children - despite the mental & physical challenges involved - and also a mom who has lived through miscarriages, I find this so hard to stomach! How can people not only waste human life, but be so downright cruel about it??!!
I hope I get to hold every one of these precious babies in Heaven! I'm sure that the angels have reserved a special corner for these little souls!
What about people who get pregnant through rape/incest or some other horrible action. Should abotion be used in those circumstances?
I am actually agaist abortion, just want to hear what other people think.
GlassHalfFull wrote:What about people who get pregnant through rape/incest or some other horrible action. Should abotion be used in those circumstances? I am actually agaist abortion, just want to hear what other people think.
Ha ha willie'es on a diet
WWJD wrote:Correct Bulert! :-)The stat is 0.05 %Not 5%0.05%Gotta love when people say "What about rape/incest?"It's virtually non existant; and when it does happen... we murder the child?I think not.We punish the OFFENDER, not the baby!
And how many people are there on this earth? Only 100? 0.05% looks small but in reality it's not that small when you consider the bigger number than per 100.
Faulty wrote:Do you eat steak?
WWJD wrote:So, CL, you're suggesting that we murder babies and let the murderER go free?I don't care of it's 1 or 1 million.Taking a life is wrong.Period.You're using situational ethics...that means you will do what you think is right depending on HOW the baby was conceived.Abortion is murder...whether it's done because of rape or otherwise.Murder is murder, reagrdless of the situation.I don't change my views when the situation changes.Sure, I can;t say that I know the plight of the female having to decide on this issue; I can, however, give a voice to the BABY...and the voice says:MURDER.
Putting 0.05% looks much better and seems like there is very few women if you use that number. Put real numbers in and you'll see it happens more often that one would think. How would you have liked if your mom would have been a junky and you have extrem medical issues. As I sated in another post I know a guy (my cousin to be more precise) that has told me many many times that he wished his mom would have had a abortion so he wouldn't have to go through everything he's been through. You can't judge a person's they're decision until you walk in their shoes.