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Islam insults and offends Christianity. Where is the outrage?

Paladin wrote on 9/17/2006 9:45:38 AM :

 

 

Why do Christians protest against Islam for offending and corrupting Christianity.

The concept of Christianity was started thousands of years ago.

Islam was started around 610 AD. 

Islam takes part of the Bible and twists it around to their suiting.

Jesus is no longer the Son of God,but just a Prophet.How dare they offend my Saviour so? What an Insult.

 Muslims do not believe that Jesus is God, nor they believe that God ever chose to come down to earth in a form of a man to die for our sins to purify us and forgive us.  

According to Islam, Jesus never died on the cross, nor ever wanted to die on the cross, nor ever was born to die on the cross.  Muslims believe that Jesus was sentenced to death, and people thought that he got executed on the cross.  The Holy Quran rejects this idea, and claims that it is a false one.  Jesus never died on the cross, nor he ever died for anyone's sins.

The false charge against Mary was that she was unchaste.  Such a charge is bad enough to make against any woman, but to make it against Mary, the mother of Jesus, was to bring into redicule Allah's power itself.  Islam is specially strong in guarding the reputation of women.  Slanderers of women are bound to bring four witnesses in support of their accusation, and if they fail to produce four witnesses, they are be flogged with eighty stripes and debarred forever from being competent witnesses.
Muhammad studied both the Old and New Testament.This is well known.

He used the Biblical Angel Gabriel as his memtor and instructor.

During this time, he claimed to have been taken by Gabriel to Jerusalem, where he met Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, and led them in prayer.
He wrote scathing verses in the Quran against Jews and Christians, calling them defiled, violent, and receiving indignation from Allah. He called for his followers to "Fight against the Jews and kill them."

He has called Christians and Jews defiled,our religion defiled.

Do we march on Mecca or on the Golden Dome? Do we burn effigies in the streets.

Do we burn their Mosque at the bottom of High Street here in Moncton?


Islam has insulted and twisted Christianity, and Christians have turned the other cheek.

The world was divided into two domains: that world which was to exist under Allah, the teachings of the Qur'an, and the traditions of Muhammad; and that world which was still in ignorance and disobedience and which needed to be brought to submission under Islam. The destiny of Islam, which Muhammad had set was to extend from Mecca to the moon.

So  Christians and Jews are ignorant and disobedient.

Time to stand up to this INSULT.

notme wrote on 9/17/2006 9:48:01 AM :
well let retaliate like they do
Paladin wrote on 9/17/2006 10:25:40 AM :

 

 

 

The Bible-- The Muslims trace their roots to the Bible, but feel free to pick and choose the parts that support their view. Islam, for example, would not consider our New Testament to be the Injil (gospel of Jesus). It is not the words of Jesus, it is others' words about Jesus. His original words have been corrupted and many have been lost. Only the Qur'an is infallible. Muhammad and the Qur'an are that which Islam is to follow.

"It is well known that at many points the Qur'an does not agree with the Jewish and Christian Scriptures. Therefore, from the Muslim point of view, it follows of necessity that these Scriptures must have been corrupted. Historical evidence makes no impression on the crushing force of the syllogism. So it is, and it can be no other way. The Muslim controversialist feels no need to study evidence in detail. The only valid picture of Jesus Christ is that which is to be found in the pages of the Qur'an."

References to the Bible in the Koran make it evident that Muhammad was confused about the message of Christianity and also what the Old Testament said. In Gleason Archer's study we find that there are blatant anachronisms and historical inaccuracies in the Koran.18 If God revealed the Koran, he not only contradicted some of his earlier revelation in the Old and New Testaments (including the parts that Muslims consider to be inspired) but he forgot some of the historical details of his own revelation. The distinction between what are Christ's actual words and what was "corrupted" by Christians is completely arbitrary, leaving the Muslim interpreter as the final authority.

As was pointed out earlier, when Muhammad was asked to validate his prophetic claim, he neither claimed to be divine, nor to have been raised from the dead. Rather, he pointed to the miracle of the Qur'an. Unfortunately, the book lends itself neither to falsification nor verification. There is no predictive prophecy such as that used by the God of the Bible to verify his word.

Catastrophic Influence wrote on 9/17/2006 10:49:35 AM :

Let's rearrange this a bit....

Quote        "... the God of the Bible .........to verify his word..."

 Big Smile [:D]

OK....now it all makes sence to me !This god is from a book...well now that explains everything then ! It's no wonder everyone can't argue againts god, the proof is there...it's a book !!!

Exemple for the dumb...

----->My kids Princess book is none argumentive ! You can't tell my she's not real ! Prove it !.....you can't ...why?...because it's in the book, it is written ! Therefor it must be real ! Why?Because the book is material and is in my hand ! Oh and they made movies of that princess toolaughing [laughing]...

Wow, what a concept you guys have with this book ! Now people are going to believe everything simply because it is written in a book?...Hehehe...mmmmmhumm.....I can see this will always be a never ending battle for years to come ...

 

 

 

JD


 

Paladin wrote on 9/17/2006 10:55:22 AM :

 

 

 


99 High Street Moncton

99 High Street Moncton

 

Catastrophic Influence wrote on 9/17/2006 10:59:24 AM :

Well there you go.....

 

Religion is full of CONS !!!!!!!!!

 

 

JD

notme wrote on 9/17/2006 10:59:48 AM :
wow what are they going to do arm it
WWJD wrote on 9/17/2006 11:53:14 AM :
The problem with your argument is that it is NOT only "a Book".

The Bible has been proven true by science and archeology.

You just can;t argue with science and tangible archeological proof.

:)
Catastrophic Influence wrote on 9/17/2006 12:14:28 PM :

..Hehehe gotcha !

I'd knew you'd slip !

---------->Quote "You just can;t argue with science and tangible archeological proof."

 

....So now you use scientific facts as your guidline eh?Hehe, well my friend, if we all remember correctly, in an old post..you quoted that scientists were flawed in their research and their knowledge of putting a date on an old relic!
..Sooooo.....now what?

 

Opps !

_____Embarrassed [:$]_____

JD

Paladin wrote on 10/26/2006 6:41:53 PM :

Australian Islamic cleric's comments on rape trigger outrage

Associated Press

SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA ??? One of Australia's senior-most Islamic clerics has triggered outrage after comments reported Thursday comparing women who don't wear a headscarf to ???uncovered meat??? who invite rape.

Sheik Taj Aldin al Hilali denied he was condoning rape when he made the comments in a sermon last month, and apologized to any women he had offended, saying they were free to dress as they wished.

The row comes during a heated debate in Britain about religious freedom centred around whether Muslim women should wear veils. Similar passions raged when France banned head scarves and other religious symbols in public schools two years ago.

In Australia, there was widespread condemnation Thursday the cleric's comments, from other Muslim leaders, civil libertarians and political leaders.


 Mr. Hilali was quoted in the Australian newspaper as saying in the sermon: ???If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside ... without cover, and the cats come to eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat's.???

???The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred,??? he was quoted as saying, referring to the headdress worn by some Muslim women.

Australia's Sex Discrimination Commissioner Pru Goward said Mr. Hilali's comment was an incitement to rape and that Australia's Muslims should force him to stand down.

???This is inciting young men to a violent crime because it is the woman's fault,??? Ms. Goward told television's Nine Network. ???It is time the Islamic community did more than say they were horrified. I think it is time he left.???

Prime Minister John Howard also rejected the comments as unacceptable.

???They are appalling and reprehensible comments,??? Mr. Howard told reporters. ???The idea that women are to blame for rapes is preposterous.???

Mr. Hilali is the top cleric at Sydney's largest mosque, and is considered the most senior Islamic leader by many Muslims in Australia and New Zealand.

He has in the past served as an adviser to the Australian government on Muslim issues, but triggered a controversy in 2004 for saying in a sermon in Lebanon that the Sept. 11 attacks were ???God's work against the oppressors.??? Mr. Hilali said later he did not mean that he supported the attacks, or terrorism.

The latest furor comes at a time when relations between Australia's almost 300,000 Muslims and the majority Christian-heritage population are tense following riots last December that often pitted White gangs against youths of Middle Eastern decent.

Mr. Howard offended some Muslims recently by singling out some Muslims as extremists who should adopt Australia's western liberal attitudes to women's rights.

Many Muslims say they are increasingly treated with suspicion since the Sept. 11 and other international terrorist attacks. Waleed Aly, a member of the Islamic Council of Victoria state, said Mr. Hilali's comments would result in more antagonism toward Muslims.

???I am expecting a deluge of hate mail,??? he said. ???I am expecting people to get abused in the street and get abused at work.???

Mr. Hilali said in a statement he was shocked by Thursday's reaction to his sermon.

???The presentation related to religious teachings on modesty and not to go to extremes in enticements, this does not condone rape, I condemn rape,??? he said.

???Women in our Australian society have the freedom and right to dress as they choose, the duty of man is to avert his glance or walk away,??? he said.


 

Paladin wrote on 10/30/2006 12:45:53 PM :

 

Australia's beleaguered Muslim leader takes indefinite leave

Associated Press

SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA ??? Australia's top Islamic cleric, who sparked outrage by saying that immodestly dressed women invite rape, said Monday that his words were ???inappropriate and unacceptable??? and he was taking indefinite leave.

Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali issued the statement from a Sydney hospital after collapsing Monday during a crisis meeting with Muslim leaders.

Earlier in the day, Prime Minister John Howard said the cleric may have breached Australia's counterterrorism laws by praising militants in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Australian newspaper reported last week that Mr. al-Hilali had compared women who do not wear head scarves to ???uncovered meat??? in a sermon at the mosque.

 ???I confess that this analogy is inappropriate and unacceptable for the Australian society and the western society in general,??? Mr. al-Hilali said Monday. ???In due course, I will take the necessary decision that will lift the pressures that have been placed on our Australian Muslim community and that which will benefit all Australians.???

???The pressure of the last couple of days has had an obvious effect on my health and well-being,??? he said, adding that he had requested indefinite leave from his duties at Lakemba Mosque in Sydney.

Some local media speculated that the 65-year-old Egyptian-born Sunni cleric intended to resign, but Mosque administrator Toufic Zreika said he did not know if that was the case.

???What's happened in the last few days has really taken its toll on him, his family, his health and I think he's just had enough,??? said Mr. Zreika, president of the Lebanese Muslim Association.

The cleric's collapse was related to his heart, Mr. Zreika said. Mr. al-Hilali has suffered four strokes and recently underwent double bypass surgery, Mr. Zreika said.


Mr. al-Hilali, who has been mufti of Australia since 1989, has rejected calls for his resignation over his remarks about women and rape. He apologized for the comments last week and agreed to stop preaching for three months.

The Australian reported Monday that Mr. al-Hilali used an Arabic-language radio interview two weeks ago to endorse militants in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Palestinian territories.

???Jihad of Iraqi Muslims is jihad, but not when Sunnis and Shias are killing each other ??? that's not jihad,??? the newspaper quoted Mr. al-Hilali as saying on Oct. 17.

It is illegal to incite violence against Australian troops. Australia, a staunch ally in the U.S.-led war on terror, has soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mr. Howard said he did not know if Mr. al-Hilali's comments were being investigated.

???If you incite people to hurt our troops, that could be an offence,??? Mr. Howard told Southern Cross Broadcasting radio.

Mr. Howard said Australia's 300,000 Muslims should be considering whether Mr. al-Hilali is the right person to represent them.

???The real worry I have, and it's a very deep worry, is that this will permanently damage the attitudes and perceptions of Muslims in the broader Australian community and I don't want that to happen,??? Mr. Howard said.

Paladin wrote on 9/17/2006 9:53:47 AM :

notme wrote:
well let retaliate like they do

I would prefer a peaceful protest on High Street..

in front of their Mosque.

notme wrote on 9/17/2006 9:56:24 AM :
Paladin wrote:

notme wrote:
well let retaliate like they do

I would prefer a peaceful protest on High Street..

in front of their Mosque.

 

god plan but in case they come out shooting let bring bullet proof suit and an assault gun for protection

Paladin wrote on 9/17/2006 10:02:57 AM :
notme wrote:
Paladin wrote:

notme wrote:
well let retaliate like they do

I would prefer a peaceful protest on High Street..

in front of their Mosque.

 

god plan but in case they come out shooting let bring bullet proof suit and an assault gun for protection

 

I would like to believe that the Muslims in Moncton are Moderate and not Radical.Nor violent.

Besides,my bullet proof vest is in hawk at Dr. Deals..lol

notme wrote on 9/17/2006 10:09:42 AM :
umm i think you better get it back for hawk     it might be handy
Catastrophic Influence wrote on 9/17/2006 10:14:12 AM :

quote:

-------->"Jesus is no longer the Son of God,but just a Prophet.How dare they offend my Saviour so? What an Insult".

 

(The "DO YA?" Accounts from JD.)

Sounds like something I'd say !(..just a prophet).Offend your Saviour so....? You really think a deadman is going to care wether the jews or whatever ,insults him? Baaaah ! And yes, I dare too !But you don't see me getting all upset cause you guys don't believe what I say , now do ya?You don't see me "protesting in the streets" ,do ya? You don't see me shoving religious freakin' flyers in your mail box or in your face at supper time, do ya?You don't see me building a Church type place to accomidate my beleives to bring everyone there and rip-off their pocket change to have a new home or new car, do ya?You don't see me gonig out of my way to fraud everyone with old relics and artifacts, just to take everyones heads and point to them just to satisfy my drouling passions and gain more rights to brainwash everyone, do ya?You don't see me yelling in everyones faces as loud as possible about my beliefs and anoying the sh** out of them,do ya?

Well...that's about all ya do !

Yup! Houray for them !

 

 

JD

____________________

Even of the day," Sunday"...just a another ,freakin' boring day ,added to the calender !

 

WWJD wrote on 9/17/2006 11:54:17 AM :
Paladin wrote:

notme wrote:
well let retaliate like they do

I would prefer a peaceful protest on High Street..

in front of their Mosque.



I'm going to Open Air there this week :)
Paladin wrote on 9/17/2006 12:11:44 PM :



I'm going to Open Air there this week :)


 

Please elaborate,,date,time,purpose,etc..

on here or PM..

willie c wuddle wrote on 10/30/2006 12:53:12 PM :
Paladin wrote:

notme wrote:
well let retaliate like they do

I would prefer a peaceful protest on High Street..

in front of their Mosque.

Why would anybody want to protest somebody else's beliefs? I don't have any tv channels and don't read the newspaper. What's going on here?

oldman wrote on 10/30/2006 1:35:30 PM :
i thought religion was all about freedom to choose
notme wrote on 10/30/2006 1:52:18 PM :

oldman wrote:
i thought religion was all about freedom to choose

 

so devil worshipping is right in that case

sass wrote on 10/30/2006 3:37:48 PM :
To each their own as long as it is not breaking the law, harming others, or infringing on the rights of others.....did I cover it all?
oldman wrote on 10/30/2006 3:42:56 PM :
yes sass you covered it all
willie c wuddle wrote on 10/30/2006 3:44:15 PM :

"so devil worshipping is right in that case"

Devil worshipping is only right if you beleive it's right. If that's what a person beleives in fine and dandy. Don't bring any pentagrams or that stuff through my door.

oldman wrote on 10/30/2006 3:45:01 PM :
agreed willie
willie c wuddle wrote on 10/30/2006 3:47:30 PM :
I have nothing against any Islamic people. If I ever visited a mosque I'd remove my hat at the door just like any other place of worship.
oldman wrote on 10/30/2006 3:49:27 PM :
i can't understand why anyone has to protest anyone's religion just talk to them kindly about joining your religion and if they don't want to then leave them alone
sass wrote on 10/30/2006 3:52:00 PM :

oldman wrote:
i can't understand why anyone has to protest anyone's religion just talk to them kindly about joining your religion and if they don't want to then leave them alone

Why do you have to even ask ppl to join..Let ppl come to you freely of their own will ..let them accept the church's beliefs on their own....

sass wrote on 10/30/2006 3:45:59 PM :
Exactly ..that is your right to reject anyone from coming into your home..if they did then they would be infringing on your space
notme wrote on 10/30/2006 3:49:23 PM :
willie c wuddle wrote:

"so devil worshipping is right in that case"

Devil worshipping is only right if you beleive it's right. If that's what a person beleives in fine and dandy. Don't bring any pentagrams or that stuff through my door.

 

so those this mean that if i believe it right to kill someone  aqnd my religion allows it   i would be allowed to do it

sass wrote on 10/30/2006 3:50:48 PM :
notme wrote:
willie c wuddle wrote:

"so devil worshipping is right in that case"

Devil worshipping is only right if you beleive it's right. If that's what a person beleives in fine and dandy. Don't bring any pentagrams or that stuff through my door.

 

so those this mean that if i believe it right to kill someone  aqnd my religion allows it   i would be allowed to do it

Notice what I said a few posts up..I covered that already.....

oldman wrote on 10/30/2006 3:52:58 PM :
they are trying to use your words sass they must have none of their own
willie c wuddle wrote on 10/30/2006 4:00:08 PM :
Oh oh, I think I'm lost here and I don't see a search party in sight.
oldman wrote on 10/30/2006 4:02:04 PM :
the search party is close willie just keep looking
willie c wuddle wrote on 10/30/2006 4:09:42 PM :
Best I can figure out Islam is supposed to offend Christianity? If that is so then that is GOD'S business not mine. I have no right to interfere with other people's affairs.