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There are so many contradictions how can we list them all. But my personal favorite is this one:

"...I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." -- Genesis 32:30

"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18 

...we'll let them battle this one out!

oneandonly wrote:

YOU KNOW IF I WASNT SO FLIPPING TIRED RIGHT NOW,I WOULD GO DOWN THEIR AND SHOVE THAT FLIPPING BIBLE OFD YOURS RIGHT UP YOUR   HOO HAA!

Now that is funny!!! LMAO

If the bible has contridictions in it it could be because it is written by many people with different interpretations. Lets compare it to a cookbook written by Disco and Egbert. They each could be describing a lobster recipe. Disco might say it is excellent. Egbert might say it is totally raunchy. They are both right but yet they contradict each other.

oneandonly wrote:

YOU KNOW IF I WASNT SO FLIPPING TIRED RIGHT NOW, I WOULD GO DOWN THERE AND SHOVE THAT FLIPPING BIBLE OF YOURS RIGHT UP YOUR   HOO HAA!

LMFrigginFO! If you can't find a bible oneandonly just bring a case of beer lol.

If you would like to confront me on my words, I'll letcha know I'm not one to hide behind a computer.

Go to our wesbite this week coming and look for the dates when and where in Moncton we'll be street preaching :)

If you have something to say or do at that time then I would enjoy meeting you.

However, while you pound my face into the ground I'll still be calling you to repent.

You are condemned by God because of your sin but the Good News is that Jesus Christ can set you free from your vileness.

I fear no man but God alone and will not be intimidated by your threats

that  wasnt a threat !

Anyone else reading it, with any sense of educational ability, would see it as such.. but relax, I'm not some wackjob with an itch to take everything so dogmatic, meaning it's all good. I get what you meant :)  I'm sure you meant it as an expression, which is all good with me.

Hey, sometimes I get peeved too when I think people are throwing their religious ideas at ME.... sometimes I wanna take the Koran and rip it up in front of a Muslim; I wouldn't, mind you, but it's an expression I use often....

So yeah... it's all good.

Neener neener neeener

like I said I have the utmost respect for others beliefs and I do expect the same respect in return.

Friend, I respect what you believe; and that's truth.

I respect what you believe in the sense that never will I ask you to stop saying whatever you want to say.

At the same time, though, if I do not agree with what you say, then am I not able to respond with a statement?

Are you not able to come against what I believe?

I don't mind if you do, because that is exactly what makes us who we are; critical thinking is a product of the God who made us, and because of that, regardless of what you or I believe, we should BOTH be able to say whatever we want, as long as it's not harming anyone.

The New Testament says that Jesus walked on water, but a Florida university professor believes there could be a less miraculous explanation -- he walked on a floating piece of ice.

Sadly, that Florida university professor is giving an opinion based on a preconceived notion of fallibility in the Scriptures.

I could give university professors also who would show the Florida professor to be a laughing stock... but then again, all is conjecture if based on subjective opinion.

Gimme facts....facts....facts....

PS: I forgot to mention that the wonderful Florida Professor failed to take note that Jesus was in the midst of the sea...I'd like to dare that professor to attempt to re-enact that miracle (smiles big)

Duke wrote:

The New Testament says that Jesus walked on water, but a Florida university professor believes there could be a less miraculous explanation -- he walked on a floating piece of ice.

 

RockinUKRon once did that on lake petticodiac. He parked his boat and was walking around behind it. I didn't know what was going on at first.

Where is the contradiction in seeing/no man has seen the face of God?

First, there is a Trinity; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and all three PERSONS are the ONE God.

Father (Theos), Son (Theon) and Holy Spirit (Pneuma)

In Scripture, we see the Members of the Godhead spoken of distinctly as having their own work and function.

For example, the Father CREATED the World, the SON Redeemed those who repent and the HOLY SPIRIT guides Believers to Jesus.

Each Member has His own function.

No man has ever seen the THEOS (God the Father) yet Jesus, God the Son, the THEON, man HAS seen (John 1:14).

You see, the THEOS, Biblically, has never been seen face to face, yet the same is not so for the THEON, the Son of the THEOS.

Unless one understands proper Midrashic Exegeis and Biblical Linguistics, it's virtually impossible to make assumptions on the Holy Writ.

I hope this brief post helps a bit :)

In Yeshua,

Dan

The Bible I read once said that God walked in the garden with Adam and Eve. So what'd He do ... leave His head in Heaven when He went walking with them?

BlinkeredKitten wrote:

The Bible I read once said that God walked in the garden with Adam and Eve. So what'd He do ... leave His head in Heaven when He went walking with them?

You see BlinkyKittyKat, you're referring to a Biblical topic which you most likely have no clue about;hence, your wild rantings and foolish statements.

The best topic to study is sin and how you're condemned by God and how Jesus Christ is the only Salvation you can receive.

"Thumper,"

It occurs to me that no matter what the topic is, your answer is always the same:

REPENT, you say.

What about the Bible verses telling you to love your neighbor as yourself? What about your instructions from God to "judge not lest ye also be judged"? What about the verse that says "Preach the truth in love."

I don't know about others in this forum, but I'm not seeing a lot of love in how you deal with people. And I'm certainly seeing a judgemental attitude in your writings! And when somebody gives back the attitude you dish out, you resort to telling THEM to repent???!!!! Perhaps, Thumper my friend, 'tis YOU who should find a place to bend your knee. :-)

The Bible, BigKittyKat, COMMANDS us to judge (1 Jon 4:1)

True Love is telling "true truth".

That is love; anything less is purely a counterfeit of Christ's Love.

I condemn no one here.

When I say "Repent" I'm simply echoing the words of Jesus Christ as found in the Gospels.

Was Jesus "not loving" when he called a group of individuals "children of the devil" and then blasted them for their wickedness in John chapter 8?

Was Jesus "not loving" in this?

Also, Jesus was powerfully loving to ALL, yet the demonstration of His Mercy and Grace was given only to those who WANTED ternal life.

Those who fought the Scriptures and refused to walk with God in holiness were usually not on friendly terms with Jesus.

Jesus said that the world (Matthew) would hate His People..ie, Christians.

Humm....

Why would the world hate Christians if Christians never said a peep to offend anyone?

The Bible calls you to Repent and God said He COMMANDS you to repent (Acts).

God called those who practice homosexuality an abomination...was that loving? (Leviticus).

The PROOF of the love is in the declaration of Truth.

The Bible isn't a Book whick makes whoremongers and drunkards etc etc feel comfortable.

God's love will tell it like it is.

I couldn;t care less what you thought of my methods in reaching people for Jesus Christ.

I'll never change my presentation based on a non-Christian's suggestion.

The Bible is clear:

Repent or Perish.

Some WILL repent, and it is to these that I say what I do.

If you don;t like what God in the Bible has to say, then simply don;t read it.

Those who DO repent are welcomed and given a place in the Kingdom of God.

THAT, my friend, is Love.

Not YOUR love, perhaps; yet it is GOD'S Love, and His Love stands true.

Matthew 7:1, 2a - Judge not lest ye also be judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged.

Romans 13:10a - Love worketh no ill to his neighbour.

So, ThumperBunnyBuddy, put away your judgemental attitude and stop "preaching." Start teaching. Start loving. Let your life be the light, because your mouth is casting pretty dark shadows here.

It took me two hours to contrive this post, so listen up, you may learn something Bible Thunder, Thumper, whatever...

I want to know, where are the good Christians?

I think the fanatics and nutjobs now running the show sure give honest believers a bad name.

I know they're out there though.

I forget, often, too often, just how many there are but I know they exist in much larger numbers than you might be led to believe by current spiritually embarrassing headlines and I know they are just as, if not more, passionate and healthy and deeply felt in their beliefs than the overpublicized sects of angry and frothing "true believers" screeching into the megaphone of the culture, the ones yanking our chain and pounding their Bibles and hiding their warped porn fetishes and forcing their way into our lives and laws and bedrooms right now as we speak.

I know there are decent, decent Christians out there. They are the calm, morally progressive, compassionate, open-hearted Jesus-loving folk who don't really give a damn for archaic church dogma or pious noise or sanctimonious candlelight vigils, for repressing women or bashing gays or slamming Islam and, in fact, turned to Christianity precisely because they believe these things are abhorrent and wrong and, well, anti-Christian.

Some of the are no other than Episcopalians, for example, that most nimble and intelligent and groundbreaking of Christian churches, a rather revolutionary sect that recently elected its first openly gay bishop and supports gay marriage and dares to ordain women as priests.

And they're still deeply involved in amazing charity work, AIDS and orphanages and Africa and stuff that makes you humble and amazed and they have not, due to this seemingly blasphemous dichotomy and much to the shock of their homophobic conservative brethren, been struck by lightning or doomed to hell for all eternity - or, rather, if they have, they'll go down happy and intelligent and singing and believing in Jesus anyway, all the way down.

They are people for whom the radiant and positive aspects of this most intense of faiths still hold powerful sway but who just can't abide by the ridiculous and outdated and often homophobic racist, prejudice, and sexist doctrines hurled forth like so much flaccid manna from the unhappy red-robed automatons of Vatican City.

They are the moderate Christians, the ones who do not support illegal wars or the killing of all doctors who perform abortions and who are all for social justice and who think frankly think people like George Bush is a bit of an imbecile, and even if they find themselves for some unfortunate reason in support of the Conservatives cause overall, they still think it's rather abhorrent that the man dares invoke God to support his lie-ridden WARS and the smashing down of women's rights and gay rights and abuse of the environment et al.

How do I know they're out there? Because I hear from them all the time, especially when I get carried away and lump them all together in my often overly harsh criticisms of the faith and my utter lack of patience for its more rabid and small-minded and hateful practitioners (Bible Thumpers)and its more violently self-righteous elements, stuff so completely antithetical to what true Christianity, what true faith, true spiritual connection, is all about, it would make Jesus wince.

And these Christians - let us call them "normal" or perhaps "natural" or even "organic" (i.e. devoid of poisons or preservatives or Sanctimonious Growth Hormones) - they are filling all manner of funky or progressive (or Unitarian) churches across many a large cities around the world, right now.

They are streaming into huge beautiful nonjudgmental buildings all over  places that welcome gays and oddballs and spiritual nomads and pantheists and anyone else who might be feeling a divine pull, and please leave your Jesus extremism at the door and let's talk about Sufism.

And they discuss stuff that sounds much closer to mystical or cosmological or otherwise paganistic energy work than the narrow, spittle-filled believe-in-Jesus-or-burn-in-hell angles of approach you keep hearing about and that tend to slash at your heart and insult your spirit and soul.

Those people are not radical. They're not rabid. They're not full of venom and Rapture and they read books other than the childish Left Behind series and they don't loathe sex or despise other religions or hate their genitalia like Bible Thumper (lol), and they know full well that Mel Gibson is a rather insane misogynistic blood fetishist who knowingly swiped an illiterate 18th-century stigmatic nun's bizarre and ultraviolent hallucination to use as some sort of dangerous literal truth. Amen.

They are, in short, those who understand the deep irony that, when it comes to religion, the ones who scream and stomp and whine the loudest are often the ones who understand their faith the least.

But there is a reason these calm and moderate and private Christians don't make the news, why, despite their enormous numbers, they are not setting the cultural agenda like some sort of sanctimonious meth-addled monkey right now.

It's because they are not organized. They are not a club. They do not have a unified attack agenda. They do not have pamphlets or advertising budgets or congressional lobbyists or the complaint line of every TV networks, Message Forums and program. They don't have God on speed dial.

They do not call themselves the Parent's Television Council or the Right to Life Marauders or the Family Values Coalition or some other dumbly misleading and patently bogus moniker. They are not attempting to cram already gutted public school textbooks with imbecilic "intelligent design" BS, nor are they writing uptight letters to the local government or ranting about nipples or dildos or low-cut jeans on teenage girls while at the same exact moment repressing their own gay fantasies and kiddie-porn collections.

They understand that our children are at much higher risk of moral and spiritual damage from, say, decimated school budgets and violent presidential warmongering and noxious Kraft Lunchables than they could ever be from Janet Jackson and Fitch or healthy teen sex.

Most spiritually healthy Christians are simply living their lives, praying deeply, carefully, privately, seeing the divine all around them and choosing Jesus' teachings as the best moral compass, especially the parts about love and healing and empathy and acceptance and turning the other cheek, about how God is not some sneering angry bearded puppeteer but rather a radiant energy force inside everyone and every living thing, always, just waiting for you to tap into it. You know, just like every other religion in existence. They are not being force fed for Christ sake.

They are the ones who understand that Jesus was, quite simply, one hell of a powerful teacher, and healer, and mystic, and visionary, a pacifist, a liberal, a feminist, the ultimate outsider, one of the finest examples in all of history of how to radiate pure love and compassion and divine interconnection and Lord knows we could all use more of that.

The bad news is, the rabid evangelical set is growing, this cluster of lost and weirdly undereducated people for whom the Bible is literal word-for-word verbatim truth and the Rapture is imminent and the Earth is just a disposable lump and the flesh is a disgusting afterthought and should be ignored and loathed and made really really fat and sexless and sad. And, to my mind, these people deserve all the fiery verbiage and raw satire and intelligent ideological counterforce I can possibly lob their way.

But.

Just as there are moderate and wonderfully articulate pro-choice Conservatives, and just as there are moderate and fiscally Conservative Liberals, so there are millions of Christians who don't adhere in the slightest to the narrow and spiritually numb worldview now being touted by the Bible Thumper right. And if we're going to get anywhere with this increasingly desperate and fractured social experiment, we need to remember that.

I am a proud Atheist, who is going to heaven or rather hell in a handbag!!!

Can I go now?

BTW - Why the name, Bible Thumper?

 

For a complete refutation of EACH "contradiction", go here: http://skepticsannotatedbible.org/ 

PS: If anyone has any of their own "contradictions", rather than simply recyclying others' works, please let me know

In Yeshua,

Dan

I wish to differ. Oh, sorry, is that a contradiction?

im not even sure what language that was!

oneandonly wrote:

im not even sure what language that was!

Let me rephrase:

If you YOURSELF have found any "contradictions" in the Bible, please let me know....

In Yeshua,

Dan

Growing up a Baptist, (please don't WindowZ RESTART), I was taught to be ammenable to all theories. All theories that professed to do kindness and justice to all. Emphasis on kindness.

Contradiction was the main-stay to all that I learned.

There was always contradictions!

Show me a coven of Baptists that didn't find contradiction and I will show you a bunch of Catholics or Unitarians.

Contradiction is what gives man the spunk (if you will) to question, press, and push the envelope.

To merely take a history book apart on its "contradictions" is somewhat "lame". Pardon my bluntness.

Why not pick your favourite film and find the "continuity" errors.

Respectfully,

Christian.

macdoug wrote:

Growing up a Baptist, (please don't WindowZ RESTART), I was taught to be ammenable to all theories. All theories that professed to do kindness and justice to all. Emphasis on kindness. Contradiction was the main-stay to all that I learned. There was always contradictions! Show me a coven of Baptists that didn't find contradiction and I will show you a bunch of Catholics or Unitarians. Contradiction is what gives man the spunk (if you will) to question, press, and push the envelope. To merely take a history book apart on its "contradictions" is somewhat "lame". Pardon my bluntness. Why not pick your favourite film and find the "continuity" errors. Respectfully, Christian.

Definition of Contradiction: Broadly speaking, a contradiction is an incompatibility between two or more statements, ideas, or actions. One must, it seems, reject at least one of the ideas outright. (Wikpedia)

Hence, if one statement is not compatible with yet another, the entire testimony must be regarded as a fabrication or an untrustworthy testimony.

I know of no Baptists who would claim that there are contradictions in Scripture; nor have I found any mainline denominational body stating such.

Perhaps those questioning the accuracy of Scripture have not taken the time nor countless hours of study to delve into the apparent "contradictions"...

Regardless, those who claim to be BORN AGAIN Baptists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals, etc etc have, as a standard of their coming to Jesus Christ, accepted the validity of the Scriptures; the entire experience itself, according to Orthodoxy, demands an acceptance of the Doctrine of Inerrancy.

Back to the original:

If anyone has PERSONALLY found a contradiction in the Bible, please state it here in specific detail...

In Yeshua,

Dan

Celeste is going to enjoy your post.

oneandonly wrote:

Celeste is going to enjoy your post.

Did I hear my name?

Yes I did!

Maybe it the Lord calling me to answer to this post.

So what are we talking about now?

Ok!

I got it...same stuff different day.

Paul said: "God is not the author of confusion," (I Corinthians 14:33), yet never has a book produced more confusion than the bible!

There are hundreds of denominations and sects, all using the "inspired Scriptures" to prove their conflicting doctrines.

Why do trained theologians differ?

Why do educated translators disagree over Greek and Hebrew meanings? Why all the confusion?

Shouldn't a document that was "divinely inspired" by an omniscient and omnipotent deity be as clear as possible?

"If the trumpet give an uncertain sound," Paul wrote in I Corinthians 14:8, "who shall prepare himself to the battle?

So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air."

Exactly!

Paul should have practiced what he preached.

For almost two millennia, the bible has been producing a most "uncertain sound."

The problem is not ONLY with human limitations, as some claim. The problem is the bible itself.

People who are free of theological bias notice that the bible contains hundreds of discrepancies. Should it surprise us when such a literary and moral mish-mash, taken seriously, causes so much discord? Here is a brief sampling of biblical contradictions taken straight from the bible.

But first...May I ask do you believe in the death penalty?

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."
 
VERSES

Exodus 32:27 "Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, . . . and slay every man his brother, . . . companion, . . . neighbor."

I Samuel 6:19 " . . . and the people lamented because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."

I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. . . . And Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."

Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."

Let me move on...since I am a freethinker I believe what I want when I want and I say: the proof is in the pudding and I have no pudding.

Therefore, even if a defender (BibleThumper) of the bible were to eliminate all of the above (and no one has come close), we are still only scratching the surface. The bible is a flawed book. Or a greatly misunderstood work of art.

 

First, Celeste, I'm not going to mish-mash and rehash all of the above, as Ive dealt with that baby pablum when I was first Born Again over 10 years ago :)  Entire volumes have been written to show your argument as flawed and based on preconceived ideas of mortal nonsense.

As for the Lord saying "thou shalt not kill" and then commanding that the Israelites kill...

That answer is so easy it makes me chuckle to see you even raised it.

Man shall not kill without motive (Old Testament speaking) yet at the same time God ALSO gave SECERAL exceptions, allowing for the deaths of others in cases of hitting a pregenant woman causing her to lose her child... there are many examples of the exceptions.

Lastly, ou assume, again falsely, using the Scriptures in a manner which is deceptively twisted, to "prove" that it (the Bible) is somehow "flawed".

You state it's meant to be understood?

Is that so?

For some it is while for others, like freethinkers who believe what they want when they want, the Bible says this:

Matthew 13:11

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Humm.... the understanding of the Scriptures, contrary to what you have posted, is NOT given to all.

Point proven, Celeste.

I did what you said I could not do...however, I knew I could as I'm a little ashamed to have lowered myself to defend issues which, primarily, children can easily defend.

Your rhetoric is amusing, however :)

You are exactly what I think you are a RELIGIOUS FANATIC.

And frankly you have proven NOTHING!

Not to me or anyone else on this forum or any other forum.

In fact, I have come to the conclusion that I pity you. If you are a representative of God--mankind is in deep ***.

Good day!

P.S. Reply not necessary.

 

No reply is forthcoming.

You're a freethinker, so of course you get the last word :)

PS: What "you think" isn;t relevant to any factual informational basis of truth.

I pity you also :)

Unless one is Born Again he CANNOT see the Kingdom of God, let alone GO there (john 3:3)

NOW THATS THE CELESTE WE ALL LOVE!

odd you say that oneandonly:

The Bible says the world loves it's own :)

If you repent you can come to Jesus and be Born Again and set free from the power of the devil

YOU DID NOT JUST SAY THAT!

YOU KNOW IF I WASNT SO FLIPPING TIRED RIGHT NOW, I WOULD GO DOWN THERE AND SHOVE THAT FLIPPING BIBLE OF YOURS RIGHT UP YOUR   HOO HAA!

oneandonly wrote:

YOU KNOW IF I WASNT SO FLIPPING TIRED RIGHT NOW,I WOULD GO DOWN THEIR AND SHOVE THAT FLIPPING BIBLE OFD YOURS RIGHT UP YOUR   HOO HAA!

You need to repent from your wickedness, oneandonly