Moncton Forum

No "Photoshop" accusations can be leveled from this video...the end shows actual FOOTAGE IN PROGRESS....thus nullifying the Pro-Choice Movement's bogus arguments.

CAUTION: HIGHLY GRAPHIC especially at the end!

---

Dan Lirette

www.icminternational.org

PS: I have to thank some members of this Forum for claiming my previous video was "Photoshopped"... I have now included an abortion in progress... hence, this video is for those who are Pro-Choice and deny that the photos are real.

This video shows some disgusting activity; this is because abortion is disgusting.

This video shows violence; this is because abortion is a violent act which kills a baby.

This video shows, at the end, an almost unbearable viewing; this is because abortion is unbearable to those who love children.

Again, highly graphic and is not meant for Pro-Life advocates.

You'll note the most outrageous statement comes from Abortion Doctror, Henry Morgentaler himself... he says that abortionists are the "real pro-lifers" and that the Pro-Life Movement has all the darkness while the Pro-Choice Movement has all the light!

Amazing!

---

Dan Lirette

www.icminternational.org

Good work. 

The truth needs to be out there.

I suppose then that the alternative is better.  That this "baby" be born into the world to an unwilling mother or parents, or an incompetent mother or father, to people who are not ready to have a child and who will neglect and not properly care for the child...  Or that the "baby" be born with an incurable disease which will provide this person and its family with a life of pain and difficulties, or which will kill them regardless in several years...  Not in my opinion. 

Not in the opinion of most canadians or your government either, cause the law in Canada says that a foetus is not a human being, though it may have the shape of one.  In Canada, an abortion is equivalent to sawing off your hand.  Bloody, yes.  Gory, yes.  Gross, yes.  Disgusting, yes.  Legal, yes.

Statistically, the pro-choice/pro-life/neutral ratio in Canada is 50/20/30 more or less.  And that's the truth.

Do you have ANY idea how many familes want desperately, in CANADA, to adpt????

Muslim law states you can publically beat your wife in certain situations; do you advocate that those living in such countries should beat their wives because the "law" states they can?

Do you promote such laws?

In the same sense, man made law does not in any way mean it is RIGHT.

Morality shoudl dictate the lives of every individual; when a law, such as slaughtering a baby or beating your wife, is applauded by the Governement of a society, only a fool would blindly foollow such "law".

---

Dan Lirette

www.icminternational.org

To answer your question, I have no clue how many people are looking to adopt a child in Canada.  How many are there?  What I do know is that even though there would be an overabundance of excess babies around, these babies would not be expeditiously shipped to expectant parents.  There is a litany of red tape and bureaucracy involved which requires many of these children to spend years in foster homes and in the "system", which can hardly be said to be good for them.  I guess that's a problem in itself though.

Dude, as to the law thing, you kind of missed my point.  In a democracy, majority rules.  Canadian law accords with the opinion of the majority on the issue of abortion.  Are you saying that the majority of Canadians are fools blindly following the law?  I'd rather believe that it is the law blindly following the majority of Canadians. 

If the majority in a given country agree that beating women in public is acceptable, who am I to judge their choice?  However, I highly doubt that those Muslim laws advocating public wife-beating were enacted democratically.  Personally, I would not promote such laws, but there's a world of difference, in my opinion, between beating a live conscious person and hacking apart a foetus with a curette or cutting off your hand.

If you don't believe in abortions, and believe they're morally wrong, by all means, don't have one.  I won't hold it against you.

Denning Said: If the majority in a given country agree that beating women in public is acceptable, who am I to judge their choice?

Response; Some Europeans want to DEMOCRATICALLY allow pedophilia.... if this would pass as law, by majority vote, would you support such a decision?

This isn;t fantasy; this is in the works.

YOU may not judge...I'm thankful there ARE those who will and do.

So again, with the above example, are yuo still a blind advoate of democratically elected law?

---

Dan Lirette

www.icminternational.org

Is it right to force some 14 yr old rape victum to nuture and deliver her rapists child?

Is it right to force a parent to carry and deliver a sick and dying baby and deal with days, weeks or months of watching that baby suffer a horrible slow death?

Is it right to force a victum of incest to carry and deliver her father/brother/uncle/grand fathers child?

Yes abortion is horrific but for some women the other choice of nuturing a baby to full term and delivering that child is way more horrific and traumatising than abortion.

Abortion is not always the right choice but for some women it is the only choice... Who are you to say that this choice should be outlawed...  I agree that it is disturbing to see that little body in peices but what is more disturbing is seeing a baby die because it's mother/father decided that it cried to much and thought that placeing the baby in a freezer/microwave/garbage can/oven/wood chipper or whatever else would be a good idea...

What is better really??? Abortion done in the early stages of pregnancy or a baby being cooked to death when it is 3 months old and is aware of what is happening?

I am definately pro-choice. I know people who have had abortions for the right reasons but I also know people who had abortions just because they didn't want kids. I know of one person who has had 3 abortions. I feel in a case like that where they are useing abortion as a form of birthcontrol is wrong. But when someone is pregnant against their choice because of forced sex, or the mother is in risk of death because of major complications or the baby is going to be born with extreme medical issues that is going to cause that baby tonns of pain when it is born then yes abortion is the right choice.

Yes there are people in canada wanting to adopt but you know there are LOTS of kids right now in NB alone who are waiting to be adopted but no body wants them. Why put more babies into a system that is obviously not working?

As for rape victim babies, well... that takes place .05% of the time.NOT 0.5 but .05! Your argument is almost non existent! You're using an argument that happens only .05% of the time... try again, Mindy.

James Robison is a rape victim child.

Know who he is?

No?

He's the Director of Life Outreach Internation, whom my wife supports.

James Robison has fed MILLIONS of starving children...and he's a "Rape Baby".

Here's his site.... how about you help this "Rape Baby"  feed the poor and diseased? http://www.lifetoday.org

You're advocating abortion base don a "what could" happen scenario.

Your argument, taken to it's logical conclusion, would ask for the deaths of every single child to be born, since that "could" be born into abuse, etc etc...

So... you ask me who I am to call for abortion to be outlawed....I have a better question:

Who are you to call for the deaths of ANY child based on a "what could happen" scenario?

---

Dan Lirette

www.icminternational.org

WW, I thought you were somewhat above this mongering.

What Morgentaler is extoling or explointing is simply the woman's right to decide whether or not the child should be brought into the world.

When I was 18, a very good friend of mine, through no fault of her own was lured to a party, where someone took advantage of her and through the use of a date rape drug and duct tape was (let us say) humiliated by about a half dozen people. These "people" were known drug dealers, criminals and effective "scum sucking perverts" (who have been dealt with by me and some of my friends since then) who had no more consideraion for rearing a child, bringing a child into this world, or caring for their child, than they did for where they were going to score the following weekend.

She was left with a terrible decision. One which she took to our church elders. Before them and with her close friends she chose to abort the evil.

We have seen each other quite often since grade 12, and when we do, her husband and my wife allow us to hug, for what to them, must seem too long a time. She was the school sweetheart, validictorian, and all-round great girl to be around, 'till the accident. She dissapeared for a few years, and so did I; college, travel, etc., but when we met again, we re-established our high school bond. That high school, commaraderie, she on the cheerleading team, me on the track and gymnastic team, athletic sweaters both, our lives were interupted by the worst that life had to offer. Together through God and friendship, we came out of it champs.

It is not all black and white WW. And, since the introduction of some shades of gray...I would rather it be left to the woman. WITH COUNSELLING. WITH FRIENDS. WITH GOD'S PLAN.

But lacking that, (because we can not be with every woman), it falls to the woman, to decide whether or not to nurture, sustain, and live the life growing within.

I guess I am on the side of abortion, with cause.

Try not to be so black and white. In our world there remains an ambient assortment, a myriad of miracles, not known to you or I, which resorts to the life of another, unkown to you or I, that is truly known to God and judged therein. Whether terminated or not, the final answer lies in the living of the mother and the infant and the final judgment is not yours or mine or theirs, but in our own living in the good counsel of our friends, and our knowledge of our living God.

WW, judge not, lest ye be judgemental.

---

Nothing in life is so exhilerating as to be shot at without result. Winston Churchill

Macdoug Said: What Morgentaler is extoling or explointing is simply the woman's right to decide whether or not the child should be brought into the world.

Response: Don't you see something missing from this picture? Of course, the baby in the womb can't speak...but if it could

Lastly, Morgentaler exists, not because he's the only one performing abortions... but because hospital abortions are carried out only when absolutely essential and the decision is not made by the mother alone, but by a medical team with more knowledge than you and I could hope to posess in a lifetime...Hence, if a medical team deems an abortion UN-essential, most run to Morgentaler, who is ever so pleased to take their 500 and up payment.

I'm not so sure that the child being salt poisoned or utensil slaughtered agrees with the Pro-Choice Movement's appeals to "true stories".

Yes, there are sad cases of such thing, and yet this justifies taking the child's life, who did no evil?

If the Lord God doesn't punish this nation for killing it's unborn then He'll have to repent for destroying Sodom and Gomorrah; our nation is much wickeder....and I can guarantee He's not going to repent.

---

Dan Lirette

www.icminternational.org

WWJD Said: Perfection, begets perfection. All else, including the here befallen, world, as we know it...is Gomorrah...or Sodom. Pick one because according to the WW, we fall into one catagory or the other.

"If the Lord God hasn't started punishing this nation", [1974 News Release: Historically, norther natives of Canada and the US, Asia and Russia regularly leave their new born females babies to be taken by the environment].

"If the Lord God doesn't punish this nation", 2007 News Release: China's desire for male children restricts and coaxes couples to abort female fetuses....

So I guess "God" is really punishing those northern natives with substance abuse, poor-to-nonexistant housing, and native chiefs that are more interested in tourism, salmon, and casinos than their own people, right?

And I guess in China's defence they are just interested in an higher income bracket that a male child can bring and through this progression they have achieved a "Star Wars" precision rocket development that would put William Tell to shame?

And Mr. Dr. Morgentaler isn't the only one....just the only one you can single out, because he has and has made press about his belief that, not all births are born into your etherial, husband and wife, good family, knowledgable and probably very well off dream of what is RIGHT!

AND HOW THE HOLY SACRED COW, DO YOU KNOW HE IS "PLEASED" to TAKE THEIR $500, RATHER THAN HAVE SOME COAT-HANGAR-HACK, OFF THE PARKING LOT, DO THE OPERATION FOR $250.

WWJD Said: Repent. I am sure we all do every day. But, I hope we do not repent for that which we have not done.

---

Nothing in life is so exhilerating as to be shot at without result. Winston Churchill

These pictures are very graphic . If you have a weak stomach don't look . They are of abortions ,very sad .
http://www.holylamb.com/abortion1.htm

---

Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired.

Myself I am pro choice..

Being pro choice know that I did give up a child for adoption because of circumstances i will not reveal....

Through friends and my own life experieces I have seen all sides to this debate topic...Seeing or experiencing all the sides I can honestly say that all three choices are hard and are rarely taken lightly and there is a lifetime affect for all, and not only on the mom...Through all the choices many people are affected..some good some bad

A point made here was to give the baby up for adoption if you can't raise the child, many people are wanting a child...This is true yes but it is easier said then done...There are lots of children in Canada in the system that Do want a home but no one wants...Not too mention what the mother goes through the rest of their lives...Always wondering, looking at every child wondering..is he/she mine??  Feelings of guilt, and the fear that their child will hate them for what they have done or never understand the circumstances at the time that they were given up..I can tell you that for the mother...It can be a living hell!!!! I would not recommend this option for everyone, it can literally kill you over and over again inside...Every Mothers Day, every Birthday and every holiday for that matter can cause an emotional breakdown for years if not for the rest of their lives...

On the flip side of this option ..yes..you have created a family and given a child a chance at a good life they might not have had and or given hope to a family that didn't have the chance to have a child but had everything to provide what a child needed in life...

Basically no choice when you are pregnant is easy..There are effects to every choice made...good and bad

I am for Pro Choice (and most of you know that).

I would never have a abortion, but I have never been in teh situations that some are faced with, when they have to make this decision. No one will ever know what goes through the girl's head at that specific time. Some do take advantage and that is a very sad reality. But some don't, they take their time to make this decision and their reasons are very well justifiable. It's not up to me or you or the neighboor to make that decision.

WW-when you get raped, whether by a stanger or someone close etc...When you get told that you have a condition that it's either you or the baby inside of you, then you might be able to open your eyes and see the bigger picture.

If my friend, relative etc.. comes to me with their mind made up, I will be there to support them (unless it's their 2,3,4 or more abortions, they they should have have a law to get the tubes tied). I will respect their decision. It's just not up to me.

Oh I didn't look at the video but damn just the picture of the link, it seems to be a old old old video.

---

Just waiting till it's all over.