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  •  09-11-2007, 4:16 PM

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    Most Quebecers against open expression of non-Christian religion

     
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    Support for a "code of conduct" for minorities is one of the paradoxes found in our poll about issues related to reasonable accommodation. Part 3 in a five-day series, Identities.

    Quebecers think of themselves as tolerant, open-minded people. They think immigration is a good thing and that minorities have a strong role to play in society.

    But beneath the surface, many fear the changes that immigrants and other minorities bring - especially non-Christian ones, according to a wide-ranging poll commissioned by The Gazette of attitudes over the reasonable accommodation debate.

    There's also a paradox: Some of the very same Quebecers who say we are strengthened by cultural and religious diversity also say immigrants should be more like the majority.

    Seven out of 10 Quebecers say Quebec society has been enriched by diversity, that immigrants should have as much say in the future of Quebec as anyone, and that minorities should be given a chance to take part in public decisions, the Lger Marketing poll of 1,001 Quebecers found in late August.

    The flip side of the picture was less encouraging.

    One in three people polled said Quebec society is under threat by the arrival of non-Christian immigrants, two out of five said Quebec society is changing too fast because of the minorities living here, and more than half said immigrants should abandon their customs and traditions and be more like the majority, the poll found.

    An even higher proportion - 58 per cent - said Quebec should adopt a "code of conduct" for minorities to follow when it comes to practising their religion and culture - the kind of code the village of Hrouxville did last year that stirred up a storm of controversy.

    The poll reveals a passive double standard: a large majority of Quebecers disapproves of open expressions of religion, unless it's Christian.

    "There's a large reservoir of guilt among French Canadians about the rapid rejection of Catholicism during the Quiet Revolution - that's a fact," said sociologist Morton Weinfeld, who runs McGill University's Canadian ethnic studies program.

    "And an easy way to assuage that guilt is by symbols - it's what I call religion-lite," Weinfeld said.

    "People say, 'We don't have to go to church, we don't have to follow the dictates of the church, but we're very comfortable with all the visual imagery around us that reminds us of our heritage and reinforces our identity.'"

    On specific issues, the poll found that Quebecers on the whole are against non-Christian accommodations:

    They don't think Jews or Muslims should get time off work to pray (72 per cent are against).

    They don't think religious minorities should get special meals at a traditional cabane sucre (69 per cent).

    They don't want the government to subsidize religious schools (67 per cent).

    They don't want Muslim women to walk around with their faces covered (63 per cent).

    They don't want Muslim teachers to cover their hair with a hijab (61 per cent);

    They don't want Muslim girls to wear the hijab in school (61 per cent).

    And they don't want prayer rooms in colleges and universities (59 per cent).

    About the only thing they are willing to concede is hijabs in public. Two in three - 66 per cent - think it's OK for Muslim women to dress like that.

    But when it comes to the most common expression of the Catholic religion - the crucifix that's displayed seemingly everywhere in Quebec, in schools, in nursing homes, in the National Assembly, Quebecers are happy it's there. About six out of 10 - 59 per cent - approve of keeping crucifixes on the walls of public schools.

    "Quebecers widely agree that diversity enriches Quebec society but they're much less at ease when this diversity is expressed through religious symbols coming from outside Catholicism," said Lger research vice-president Christian Bourque, who oversaw the survey.

    Jack Jedwab, executive director of the Association for Canadian Studies, analyzed the Lger data for The Gazette. Co-relating people's answers to the poll question, Jedwab found that even those who say they're most open to religious and cultural diversity draw the line at public displays like hijabs, while approving of crucifixes in school.

    For example, of the people who totally agree that diversity enriches society, only 22 per cent completely accept Muslim girls wearing hijabs in school. And of those who have no problem with crucifixes in schools, only 25 per cent would allow hijabs to be worn there, either by students or teachers.

    The most worrisome part of the poll is that a majority of Quebecers appear to favour some kind of "code of conduct" for minorities, Weinfeld said.

    "It's troubling, because there's an action component to it - people want the government to regulate the problem. That attitude reflects a certain kind of tatisme in Quebec, which may include telling minorities how to live. It's objectionable, it's unconstitutional and it violates the Charter (of Rights and Freedoms)."

    Media blow issues out of proportion, many say Minority cultural and religious practices have received considerable attention in Quebec recently. Do you think the following groups have exaggerated, reacted appropriately or not taken the matter seriously enough? Reacted Did not take Exaggerated appropriately seriously enough

    Quebec majority 26% 46% 24%

    Quebec minorities 45% 31% 17%

    Quebec Liberals 13% 42% 34%

    Action dmocratique 26% 37% 21%

    Parti qubcois 15% 43% 30%

    News media 55% 30% 12%

    *Where the total polled on a certain question does not add up to 100%, the remaining respondents did not know or refused to answer.

    Crucifixes, hijabs: controversial symbols

    When it comes to the place of religion in Quebec society, do you completely or somewhat accept, somewhat or completely oppose the following? Allow crucifixes on the Muslim girls wearing hijabs wall in a public school in public schools Accept Oppose Accept Oppose 59% 40% 39% 61%

     Of those who completely accept crucifixes in schools, only 25 per cent completely accept that hijabs be worn there.

    Of those who completely oppose crucifixes, about 56 per cent also completely oppose the wearing of hijabs by Muslim girls in school.

    *Where the total polled on a certain question does not add up to 100%, the remaining respondents did not know or refused to answer.

    Region by region: eastern Quebec stands out

    When it comes to the place of religion in Quebec society, poll

    respondents say they accept the following, region by region: Quebec Montreal City *CMA CMA East Centre West

    Muslim women in public wearing the hijab, the veil covering only the hair but not the face. 67% 68% 62% 61% 67%

    Crucifixes on the wall in a public school. 54% 65% 70% 53% 65%

    Prayer facilities in colleges or universities. 42% 50% 32% 36% 42%

    Muslim girls wearing hijabs in public schools. 43% 41% 33% 32% 38%

    Muslim women in hijabs teaching in a public school. 41% 36% 34% 38% 36%

    Muslim women in public wearing the full-face veil. 36% 39% 31% 32% 39%

    Subsidies for private religious schools. 33% 32% 24% 30% 36%

    Special meals for religious minorities at the cabane sucre/sugar shack. 32% 31% 21% 26% 31%

     

    Allowing Muslim or Jewish workers time off to attend Friday prayers. 33% 26% 17% 14% 34%

    *CMA: Census Metropolitan Area

    The Poll: Methodology, Design and Analysis

    Lger Marketing polled 1,001 Quebecers by phone from Aug. 22 to 26. Respondents were 18 years or older and were able to express themselves in French or English. Using Statistics Canada data, their answers were weighted by region, age, gender and mother tongue to make the poll representative of the entire adult population of Quebec. The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 3.1 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

    All the numbers cited in stories and charts in the Identities series are taken from the Lger poll.

     

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  •  09-11-2007, 4:24 PM

    Re: Immigrants welcome - as long as they conform

    One in three people polled said Quebec society is under threat by the arrival of non-Christian immigrants, two out of five said Quebec society is changing too fast because of the minorities living here, and more than half said immigrants should abandon their customs and traditions and be more like the majority, the poll found.

    An even higher proportion - 58 per cent - said Quebec should adopt a "code of conduct" for minorities to follow when it comes to practising their religion and culture - the kind of code the village of Hrouxville did last year that stirred up a storm of controversy.



      i   agree with those terms     it would be the biggest plus for canadians





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  •  09-11-2007, 4:29 PM

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    At least Quebec has the nerve to stand up for what they feel and believe in...

    For once Quebec and I agree on something....

    What IS this world coming to ?


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  •  09-11-2007, 4:34 PM

    Re: Immigrants welcome - as long as they conform

    like i always said some of the stuff quebec goes after we get mad about but at least Quebecquer have the nerve to stand up to the political correctness hypocrisis




    3cheers for Quebec



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  •  09-11-2007, 4:37 PM

    Re: Immigrants welcome - as long as they conform

    notme wrote:
    like i always said some of the stuff quebec goes after we get mad about but at least Quebecquer have the nerve to stand up to the political correctness hypocrisis




    3cheers for Quebec

    3 Cheers for Quebec....

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  •  09-11-2007, 4:44 PM

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    where is the  liquor store




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  •  09-11-2007, 5:09 PM

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    notme wrote:
    like i always said some of the stuff quebec goes after we get mad about but at least Quebecquer have the nerve to stand up to the political correctness hypocrisis




    3cheers for Quebec

    I don't see the big deal. Quebec has been practicing on the rest of Canada for years.Whistling [whistling]


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  •  09-11-2007, 5:13 PM

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       at east they help their own



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  •  09-12-2007, 7:25 PM

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    It's all about Canadian values

    By LICIA CORBELLA

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    Last year at right about this time, the Sheik of Meat, as he was dubbed, compared women who don't wear a hijab or niqab to a piece of meat inviting rape.

    Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali, the Mufti of Australia, gave a Ramadan sermon to 500 worshippers in Sydney's largest mosque that was translated and reported in The Australian newspaper last fall saying: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden, or in the park, or in the backyard without cover and the cats come to eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat?

    "The uncovered meat is the problem," exhorted al-Hilali.

    "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

    Australians were rightly outraged. Closer to home anger has erupted here ever since Marc Mayrand, Canada's chief electoral officer, declared that Muslim women with covered faces will be allowed to vote in the upcoming Quebec byelections.

    Every leader of the four main federal parties have condemned the decision.

    In a country where individuals are frequently required to show picture ID to rent a DVD and where ridings can be won or lost by a handful of votes, it doesn't seem unreasonable for the state to require positive identification of people exercising perhaps the most profound right given its citizens.

    But the issue of face covering should go much further than just at the ballot box, argue many mainstream Canadian Muslims.

    In Calgary, Mount Royal College sociology professor Dr. Mahfooz Kanwar -- a devout Muslim -- has been arguing for years that niqabs (the Darth Vader-like garb that leaves only a woman's eyes visible) should be outlawed not just at election booths but always.

    He's calling on the federal government to pass such a law.

    "There is no mention -- not one -- anywhere in the Qur'an that calls on women to cover their faces. It is not a religious requirement, it is a misogynist dictate by fanatical clerics carried out by brainwashed and fearful women," argues Kanwar.

    If covering one's face is not a religious requirement, points out Kanwar, it cannot be considered a right under Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

    "If this ruling isn't changed it could open a can of worms with these fundamentalists making all sorts of other demands," warns Kanwar, including the right to have photo ID in which their faces remain covered.

    "This is Canada. It's based on Christian values, British Parliamentary democracy and the rule of law -- not Sharia. If someone wants to live under Sharia law, what the hell are they doing here?" Kanwar asks.

    Farzana Hassan, president of the Muslim Canadian Congress, is also calling on the feds to outlaw face covering, for a myriad of reasons, including the threat of terrorism and crime.

    "Individuals must not be permitted to appear in public without revealing their identity, let alone in a voting booth," she said.

    As for Mayrand, he made an excellent point Monday. If politicians disagree with him they should write a law that says so. Kanwar and Hassan, however, are urging all Canadians -- particularly Muslims -- to demand of their politicians to ban veiling completely.

    That will give all the Sheiks of Meat out there -- and you can be sure Canada has some -- less meat with which to disparage and threaten the well-being of uncovered women.

     

     

                                                                       

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  •  09-12-2007, 7:30 PM

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    if i cannot wear a mask when voting why would they be allowed to wear their whatever in their face is it just because they are immigrants ,a specialgroup (like the homo>6% of the population )  or is just that they are not a white heteo canadian



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  •  09-12-2007, 8:13 PM

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    When did Notme go from wearing a paper bag to dressing like a Muslim?
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  •  09-12-2007, 8:19 PM

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     i want special privilidges so i joined the muslins



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  •  09-13-2007, 9:04 AM

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    I would haev to agree with Quebec. I don't see why Canada should change their ways to accomodate immigrants that chooses to come to Canada. If they want to come here, they should change their ways to accomodate the place that opens their arms for them to come live here. If they don't like our ways, don't come here then.
    Just waiting till it's all over.
  •  09-13-2007, 9:04 AM

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    I would have to agree with Quebec. I don't see why Canada should change their ways to accomodate immigrants that chooses to come to Canada. If they want to come here, they should change their ways to accomodate the place that opens their arms for them to come live here. If they don't like our ways, don't come here then.
    Just waiting till it's all over.
  •  09-13-2007, 6:53 PM

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    The newly amended Canada Elections Act, passed by Parliament this June, does not require voters to show photo ID. Nor does it require anyone -- Muslim or non-Muslim, male or female -- to show their faces to returning officers. Not even notme.

    The amendments,  do require voters to produce documents to establish their name and address.

    One such document is a driver's licence. But voters without photo ID can show up with two other identifying documents. A credit card receipt, a utility bill, a university transcript, an income tax assessment notice, a library card; those are just a few options. As long as you have two pieces of paper or plastic with your name and address, you can vote in a federal election.

    Hell, you can vote without any ID at all ,  as long as you swear a legal oath affirming your identity and find someone else at the polling station who can vouch for you. Or you can complete a mail-in ballot from the privacy of your own home, wearing your underwere over your head if you choose.

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper is demanding Canada's chief electoral officer ensure that veiled or burka-clad women who come to vote expose their faces to returning officers -- even though the law, which Harper's government passed less than three months ago, has no such requirement.

    The law doesn't require devout Muslim women to produce photo ID, or to lift their face-coverings to confirm their identities.

    Over the decades, we've made all kinds of social accommodations for Sikh turbans and kirpans, Hutterite hats and headscarves, Jewish yarmulkes and sheitels.

    If our parliamentarians want to amend the Elections Act to require every voter to provide photo ID, they can recall Parliament and do so.

     


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