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The Real Reasons Straight People Can’t Accept Gay People
Last post 04-05-2008, 8:21 PM by zymry. 123 replies.
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Re: The Real Reason Straight Americans Can’t Accept Gay Americans
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04-02-2008, 4:00 PM |
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Paladin
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Re: The Real Reason Straight Americans Can’t Accept Gay Americans
sass wrote:
Dear Sass
Please accept my deepest appology for my words. You deserve better than that.
I prostrate myself before you and await your punishment....
Please be gentle.....![Wink [;)]](/emoticons/emotion-5.gif)
use the whip Sass...use the whip.....
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04-02-2008, 4:22 PM |
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Re: The Real Reason Straight Americans Can’t Accept Gay Americans
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04-02-2008, 5:58 PM |
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Re: The Real Reason Straight Americans Can’t Accept Gay Americans
The God I believe in is caring and loving and compassionate. If god is
going to send a person to hell for loving someone of the same sex, yet save
the person who judges then, ostracizes them and makes them feel
worthless, scared and unaccepted, then I will gladly burn in hell,
because I wouldn't want anything to do with that god.
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04-02-2008, 7:17 PM |
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Paladin wrote:If Gays want a God, let them create their own.That is their right.They do not, have the right to transform the Bible into what suits them. Nor will I let them try.
Oh. My. ***!! That is quite possibly the most ass backwards thing I've ever heard (or seen) anyone say about religion. Seriously, who the *** do you think you are to put yourself above them? Do you really think you're any better than them because you are not "different"? I'm sure you've "transformed" the Bible to suit your own personal beliefs or values. The only way that comment is any better than any of the ignorant bullshit notme has ever said on here is that I actually understood what you were trying to say. Understood loud and clear.
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04-02-2008, 7:32 PM |
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Vlad Drac wrote: Paladin wrote:If Gays want a God, let them create their own.That is their right.They do not, have the right to transform the Bible into what suits them. Nor will I let them try.
Oh. My. F%%k!!That is quite possibly the most ass backwards thing I've ever heard (or seen) anyone say about religion. Seriously, who the f$%k do you think you are to put yourself above them? Do you really think you're any better than them because you are not "different"? I'm sure you've "transformed" the Bible to suit your own personal beliefs or values. The only way that comment is any better than any of the ignorant bullsh$t notme has ever said on here is that I actually understood what you were trying to say. Understood loud and clear.
Sticks and stones Vlad...
You are imtitled to YOUR beliefs no matter what I think they are...
Oh and easy with the insults and language...
If you can't keep it civil, take it elsewhere , where you mentality is more at par.
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04-02-2008, 7:35 PM |
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Redfox wrote:The God I believe in is caring and loving and compassionate.
I do not believe that any so called Christian would argue that at all.
I also believe,( and if I'm wrong, I'm sure some one here will correct me ) that the Judeo Christian God does not operate by consesus. No would I want him to.
If god is going to send a person to hell for loving someone of the same sex, yet save the person who judges then, ostracizes them and makes them feel worthless, scared and unaccepted, then I will gladly burn in hell, because I wouldn't want anything to do with that god.
Fair enough, I'll try to save a space for you there if I get there first.
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04-02-2008, 8:13 PM |
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Re: The Real Reason Straight Americans Can’t Accept Gay Americans
Paladin wrote: Vlad Drac wrote: Paladin wrote:If Gays want a God, let them create their own.That is their right.They do not, have the right to transform the Bible into what suits them. Nor will I let them try.
Oh. My. F%%k!!That is quite possibly the most ass backwards thing I've ever heard (or seen) anyone say about religion. Seriously, who the f$%k do you think you are to put yourself above them? Do you really think you're any better than them because you are not "different"? I'm sure you've "transformed" the Bible to suit your own personal beliefs or values. The only way that comment is any better than any of the ignorant bullsh$t notme has ever said on here is that I actually understood what you were trying to say. Understood loud and clear.
Sticks and stones Vlad...
You are imtitled to YOUR beliefs no matter what I think they are...
Oh and easy with the insults and language...
If you can't keep it civil, take it elsewhere , where you mentality is more at par.
I might've used fowl language, but I really believe your comments were more insulting than mine.
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04-02-2008, 8:36 PM |
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Re: The Real Reason Straight Americans Can’t Accept Gay Americans
Just a few of the Christian Religions around..
Catholics, Roman Catholic, Lutherans, Anglicans , Baptists,Protestant,Presbyterian,Methodist,Jehovah's Witnesses, Amish ,Quaker
Each of these is Eclectic in as they all use the same Bible, yet take from it just what they choose. If they can pick and choose, so can I .
I'm sure you all can agree with my right to do that .
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04-02-2008, 8:42 PM |
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Paladin wrote:I'm sure you all can agree with my right to do that .
I don't think anyone is arguing your right to believe in what you want. I do have a serious question for you though. Is your opinion on the matter based on your own morals or is it simply because your religion told you that's what you should believe in? EDIT: I guess what I'm getting at is, can you tell me why you think homosexuality is wrong without mentioning anything about the Bible.
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04-02-2008, 8:54 PM |
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Paladin wrote:Sure...man and woman evolved ( ? ) with perfectly fitting and functioning sexual organs. Sexual organs allow humans two options. Pleasure and procreation.
So...in your eyes, anyone who chooses not to procreate falls in the same category as homosexuals?
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04-02-2008, 9:02 PM |
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No,,only those that by their own lifestyle are not able to,
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04-02-2008, 9:27 PM |
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zymry wrote:
I count myself as an adherent of Christ though I suspect we may see things differently) If this is better left to private messages then fine delete this and PM me but I really truly want to understand. That having been said :
So which of these accursed religions still fit the Bill when it comes to your questions...?
Catholics, Roman Catholic, Lutherans, Anglicans , Baptists,Protestant,Presbyterian,Methodist,Jehovah's Witnesses, Amish ,Quaker
Are they all wrong and just you is righteous?
Do you eat shellfish ? lobster, crab, clam, mussel, etcetera Can we sell our children into slavery ? Do you condone owning slaves ? Have you ever, or do you know anyone that attends your church that has worked on your sabbath ? Do you play football or even just toss the " 'ol pigskin" around ? Do you wear clothes of only 1 material at a time ?
I am not trying to start a fight, I want to understand. The same passages that call homosexuality an abomination condone owning slaves and selling our children into slavery, and call for death to practitioners of homosexuality as much as for eaters of shellfish, people who touch dead pig flesh, wear garments made of more than one type of thread, and many other things.
I honestly don't see how you can rip one part of that out and follow it and not the rest. (I really wish you could see the confusion and yearning for understanding on my face, I know you'll likely think I am looking for a fight but I really want to understand). I mean I can see putting away "the law" because of the new covenant in Christ, but don't you either choose to put down all of the law or carry it all not bits and pieces as it serves ?
Again as I've said I am not looking for a war, or really even a debate on this. I seek understanding and clarity. Of course I think this could end up with both of us tripping all over Romans14:14 so after asking this one time for you to teach me on this matter so the scales can fall from my eyes and I can see clearly I won't ask again. If you opt to not try to educate me in this matter I will continue stumbling in darkness looking for a different teacher. Please help me understand, I thought I read and understood what Peter and Paul said I am willing to be shown I missinterperted them.
With the exception of the Anglican Church ( which is imploding in upon itself as we speak ) which Church sees Gays as You do Zymry?
Catholics, Roman Catholic, Lutherans, Baptists,Protestant,Presbyterian,Methodist,Jehovah's Witnesses, Amish ,Quaker
Are they ALL wrong, and only you are righteous?
Please enlighten me,,pray tell.
And whats with this style of writing ?
Is this your typical Monastic Enlightened style or watch me have some fun style? It sure ain't typical of the stuff you write here everyday.
There...I think I've covered every one and every item..if I have missed anyone please forgive me but it's been a long day....![Wink [;)]](/emoticons/emotion-5.gif)
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04-03-2008, 1:22 AM |
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Re: The Real Reason Straight Americans Can’t Accept Gay Americans
Paladin wrote:So which of these accursed religions still fit the Bill when it comes to your questions...?
Catholics, Roman Catholic, Lutherans, Anglicans , Baptists,Protestant,Presbyterian,Methodist,Jehovah's Witnesses, Amish ,Quaker
Are they all wrong and just you is righteous?
With the exception of the Anglican Church ( which is imploding in upon itself as we speak ) which Church sees Gays as You do Zymry?
Catholics, Roman Catholic, Lutherans, Baptists,Protestant,Presbyterian,Methodist,Jehovah's Witnesses, Amish ,Quaker
Are they ALL wrong, and only you are righteous?
Please enlighten me,,pray tell.
I have no idea which of them see things the way I do I suspect the answer is none. And though that thought saddens me it can't change what is real to me.With all the fighting over various dogma it makes it difficult for me to ascertain what is right outside of me. Do I think they are wrong yes in truth I do, in truth I think you are wrong. And you and they are entitled to be so. I don't get to sit on the throne of judgement for anyone. It isn't my place to judge who is worthy or not. God will sort it out in the end.
I apologize but since this has come up numerous times I feel the need to font this next statement so it doesn't get missed...
I DO NOT THINK I AM MORE RIGHTEOUS, ENLIGHTENED, SMARTER, OR BETTER THAN ANY OTHER POSTER HERE. I AM NOT A HERO, NOR AM I A SAVIOUR and I do not think of myself as any of those things. Sorry about that I have seen that charge leveled at me many times here I don't know where it comes from only that it is false I am a person just like elijah, just like sass, just like paladin, just like notme justme and willie.
Paladin wrote:
And whats with this style of writing ? Is this your typical Monastic Enlightened style or watch me have some fun style? It sure ain't typical of the stuff you write here everyday.
The style of writing changed because I am not "having fun" with this (in that I am not getting entertainment, I am enjoying myself I hope you can see the difference if not I'll explain further or try to). I am not in attack or defend mode with you because you don't get all preachy and ram things down peoples throats. You are an intelligent fairly openminded guy whose opinion I value. I want to understand and by the very stances you have taken you seem the best equipped to help me do so. Who else is going to ? The other people that share your opinion don't talk rationally they argue, they fight and "want to be right and win" I can quote gorram scripture and interpretations at them all day long and they can do the same back to me and at the end we are no further ahead, have riled ourselves and others up and made this a not fun place to be. Who wins then ? not them and not I. Your curse is being a level headed fairly moderate guy. which is likely why you are the moderator here ... deal with it.![Wink [;)]](/emoticons/emotion-5.gif)
Understanding is more important to me than platitudes, so to try to understand and get teaching from you I am coming "like a little child" and asking why
Paladin wrote:There...I think I've covered every one and every item..if I have missed anyone please forgive me but it's been a long day....![Wink [;)]](/emoticons/emotion-5.gif)
Indeed it has ![Smile [:)]](/emoticons/emotion-1.gif)
 Your post was deleted by Paladin.Reason: get off the forum You are banned, going for walks in peaceful places is bannable now Paladin wrote:I will also be making an official report with the Police.That was a Threat.Be prepared for the consequences.
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