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Last post 10-28-2007, 9:56 AM by Paladin. 44 replies.
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  •  09-13-2007, 7:00 PM

    Re: Lifting the veil

    welcome to Canada the world of convenience   for everybody but Canadians

    zymry is off limit

    time has come
  •  09-25-2007, 6:03 PM

    Most want limits on demands

     

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    Most want limits on demands of immigrants
    Only 18 per cent say minorities should be fully 'accommodated,' new poll shows

     

     

     

    Chris Cobb

    The Ottawa Citizen

    http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=c9feddb4-f569-4df3-b292-dc08fd502956

     

     

    Most Canadians want limits on accommodating the cultural demands of new immigrants and religious minorities, a poll to be released today suggests.

    According to the poll, conducted last week by Ottawa-based SES research, only 18 per cent of Canadians say cultural and religious minorities should be totally accommodated in Canada, with 53 per cent saying immigrants should fully adapt to the Canadian way of life.

     

    The remaining respondents fell somewhere in between.

    Two out of three Canadians said that they have heard of the term "reasonable accommodation," which is at the centre of a debate that has raged in Quebec since the town of Hérouxville adopted a set of societal rules for immigrants who might want to settle there.

     

    More than 90 per cent of Quebecers are aware of the term and are overwhelmingly opposed to accommodating minority cultures and religions. Only 5.4 per cent of respondents said reasonable accommodation reflected their views and 77 per cent said immigrants should adapt to Quebec and Canadian society.

     

    Older Canadians tend to be less tolerant of reasonable accommodation of minorities. However, while they want limits, a significant number of Canadians of all ages hold more moderate views.

    "A sizable portion of Canadians have a relatively fixed view of Canada and what it is," said SES president Nik Nanos yesterday.

    "Part of that fixed view is a willingness to accommodate new Canadians, but not at the price of compromising what Canada really is.

    "In Quebec, the message is loud and clear. They see Canada through the lens of two founding peoples, two founding language communities -- and anyone who comes to Canada should fit into that framework. They see this vision of two founding peoples being eroded."

     

    Reasonable accommodation was a major issue in the Quebec election earlier this year, and the Bouchard-Taylor Commission, created by Premier Jean Charest to examine the issue, is receiving extensive media coverage in the province.

     

    Ontario's election wrangling over public funding of faith-based schools is a variation of the debate in Quebec, Mr. Nanos said.

    The majority of Quebecers, he added, have reached their limit of tolerance, but the poll results, and the faith-based school debate in Ontario, suggest the issue is going to spread to other provinces.

     

    "In Quebec," he said, "people are saying, 'We want to accommodate new Canadians and minorities, but hold on a minute.' What we are seeing in the province is a build up of accommodation after accommodation after accommodation. It's reached a tipping point in Quebec and our leaders outside Quebec should be watching because it is coming to their neighbourhood."

     

    The online poll was conducted among 1,083 Canadians (295 in Quebec) for the Quebec-based public policy magazine Policy Options. SES says the results are accurate to within three percentage points 19 times out of 20.

    Roughly half of respondents say religious and cultural minorities should be accommodated "some of the time." About 22 per cent said they should be accommodated "most of the time." About 14 per cent said they shouldn't be accommodated at all, and 5.6 per cent said they should be accommodated all the time. The rest are unsure.

     

    When respondents were asked whether prayer spaces should be provided free of charge in public places to accommodate religious minorities, 58.6 per cent of Canadians were "to greater or lesser degrees" opposed, with around 31 per cent in favour. In Quebec, more than 80 per cent were opposed to some degree.

     

    SES asked respondents three separate questions to determine in what public venues Canadians might find accommodation of religious and cultural minorities acceptable.

     

    In Canada as a whole, just 36.7 per cent said there should be no accommodation in places "like schools, hospitals and public buildings." Around six per cent said there should be full accommodation, and the rest were between those extremes. Nearly two out of three Quebec respondents said there should be zero accommodation, with just 1.7 per cent in favour of full accommodation.

     

    About 45 per cent of Canadians were opposed to religious accommodation in the workplace (65 per cent of Quebecers were opposed), and the opposition was more intense when respondents were asked whether similar accommodation should be part of amateur sport and leisure activities.

    Among Canadians as a whole, 48 per cent opposed that option; among Quebecers, 72 per cent were opposed. Only 1.7 per cent of Quebecers and 3.3 per cent of Canadians overall were totally in favour.

    The issue first hit the headlines in late February when Nepean's Asmahan "Azzy" Mansour, 11 at the time, was ordered to remove her hijab or leave the field during a soccer tournament in Laval, Que.

     

    Canadians in regions with fewer cultural and religious minorities were more inclined to favour accommodation than those in larger urban centres.

    "It's because they're not dealing with the issue on a personal basis," Mr. Nanos said.

     

    "(The poll) should be a bit of notice to Canadians that we're going to deal again with the vision of Canada as two founding peoples, or whether we have become a multicultural country where the two founding peoples are subsumed within that."

     

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  •  09-26-2007, 6:37 PM

    Re: Most want limits on demands

    It's a sad day in Canada when Muslim women are allowed to wear their head coverings in the workplace, but those whose religion requires the wearing of a skirt aren't allowed to work at Tim Horton's.



  •  09-26-2007, 6:48 PM

    Re: Most want limits on demands

    that because most of them that require  skirts are Canadians and are afraid to fight back

    zymry is off limit

    time has come
  •  09-26-2007, 6:51 PM

    Re: Most want limits on demands

    i know of atleast one woman working at tims that does wear her skirt due to her religion infact tim's supplies the skirt
  •  09-26-2007, 6:53 PM

    Re: Most want limits on demands

    wow good for her   hope she is a canadian

    zymry is off limit

    time has come
  •  09-26-2007, 6:54 PM

    Re: Most want limits on demands

    she sure is canadian
  •  09-26-2007, 7:03 PM

    Re: Most want limits on demands

    well she must have put up a good fight good for her

    zymry is off limit

    time has come
  •  09-26-2007, 7:43 PM

    Re: Most want limits on demands

    Perhaps the rules vary because of city and/or province ... the manager here happens to attend my church as well. He says he's been fighting with his superiors for at least 6 weeks now to have his female staff be allowed to wear skirts.



  •  09-26-2007, 8:31 PM

    Re: Most want limits on demands

    maybe he should call headoffice  

    zymry is off limit

    time has come
  •  09-30-2007, 6:17 PM

    opt-out clause

    I wonder if " born here " Canadians can come up  with some  " clauses" of their own?
     
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    UK: Muslim checkout staff get an alcohol opt-out clause

     
    2007 09 30
     

     
     

    MUSLIM supermarket checkout staff who refuse to sell alcohol are being allowed to opt out of handling customers’ bottles and cans of drink.

    Islamic workers at Sainsbury’s who object to alcohol on religious grounds are told to raise their hands when encountering any drink at their till so that a colleague can temporarily take their place or scan items for them.

    Other staff have refused to work stacking shelves with wine, beer and spirits and have been found alternative roles in the company.

    Sainsbury’s said this weekend it was keen to accommodate the religious beliefs of all staff but some Islamic scholars condemned the practice, saying Muslims who refused to sell alcohol were reneging on their agreements with the store.

    Islam states that Muslims should not consume alcohol, but opinion is divided on whether it is permissible to be involved in the sale of it.

    Mustapha, a Muslim checkout worker at the company’s store in Swiss Cottage, northwest London, interrupts his work to ensure that he does not have to sell or handle alcohol.

    Each time a bottle or can of alcohol comes along the conveyor belt in front of him, Mustapha either swaps places discreetly with a neighbouring attendant or raises his hand so that another member of staff can come over and pass the offending items in front of the scanner before he resumes work.

    Some of the staff delegated to handle the drink for Mustapha are themselves obviously Muslim, including women in hijab head coverings. However, a staff member at the store told a reporter that two other employees had asked to be given alternative duties after objecting to stacking drinks shelves.

    Mustapha told one customer: “I can’t sell the alcohol because of my religion. It is Ramadan at the moment.”

    His customers did not appear to have any objection to his polite refusal to work with alcohol. One said: “I have no issues with it at all, it really doesn’t bother me.”
    However, some senior Muslims were less approving.

    Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, director of the Muslim Institute and leader of the Muslim parliament, said: “This is some kind of overenthusiasm. One expects professional behaviour from people working in a professional capacity and this shows a lack of maturity.

    “Sainsbury’s is being very good, they are trying to accommodate the wishes of their employees and we commend that. The fault lies with the employee who is exploiting and misusing their goodwill. It makes no difference if it is only happening over Ramadan.”

    Ibrahim Mogra, chairman of the inter-faith committee of the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), said: “Muslim employees should look at the allowances within Muslim law to enable them to be better operating employees and not be seen as rather difficult to cater for.”

    A spokeswoman for Sainsbury’s, confirming Mustapha’s stance, said: “At the application stage we ask the relevant questions regarding any issues about handling different products and where we can we will try and accommodate any requirements people have, but it depends on the needs of the particular store.”

     
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  •  09-30-2007, 6:22 PM

    Re: opt-out clause

    uk was and always will be weird  and guess what we are    part of the empire

    zymry is off limit

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  •  09-30-2007, 6:28 PM

    empire

    notme wrote:
    uk was and always will be weird  and guess what we are    part of the empire

     

    may the " Farce " be with you...

     


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  •  09-30-2007, 6:39 PM

    Re: empire

    Paladin wrote:

    notme wrote:
    uk was and always will be weird  and guess what we are    part of the empire

     

    may the " Farce " be with you...

     

    That wasn't a " dig " notme, just my crazy sense of humour..the Canadian Flag is just vissable at the far top right..


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  •  09-30-2007, 6:46 PM

    Re: empire

    canada started with the indians and all the rest of us came from somewhere else so that makes us all decendants of immigrants
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