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Pro Choice Or Pro Life?

Last post 01-31-2007, 8:49 AM by Cloudhopper. 46 replies.
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  •  01-24-2007, 10:50 AM

    Re: Pro Choice Or Pro Life?

    well   even if i do not agree with abortion   
    i have to say that morgantyler   is providing a service that is wanted by some or he would not be in business

    it not him that makes the decisions it the woman who he aborts   so instead of trying to bad mouth a person that provide the services  why not try to stop the people from using the services 


    he is just a person trying to make money and well even if it immoral   to many of us he is providing something that is in demand  or he would be out of business

    stupidity governs the world
  •  01-24-2007, 11:34 AM

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    Come to think of it, let's leave the "hitmen" alone too - they're just providing a service that's in demand.

    No man is an island - doesn't necessarily mean we should "leave him alone."


    Caution: does not play well with stupid people.
  •  01-24-2007, 11:45 AM

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    WWJD, you omitted the "systematic".  I think that's an important element.
  •  01-24-2007, 12:17 PM

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    Well said Blinky!

    Dan Lirette

    www.icminternational.org
  •  01-24-2007, 7:14 PM

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    WWJD wrote:
    As for rape victim babies, well... that takes place .05% of the time.NOT 0.5 but .05! Your argument is almost non existent! You're using an argument that happens only .05% of the time... try again, Mindy.

    James Robison is a rape victim child.

    Know who he is?

    No?

    He's the Director of Life Outreach Internation, whom my wife supports.

    James Robison has fed MILLIONS of starving children...and he's a "Rape Baby".

    Here's his site.... how about you help this "Rape Baby"  feed the poor and diseased? http://www.lifetoday.org

    You're advocating abortion base don a "what could" happen scenario.

    Your argument, taken to it's logical conclusion, would ask for the deaths of every single child to be born, since that "could" be born into abuse, etc etc...

    So... you ask me who I am to call for abortion to be outlawed....I have a better question:

    Who are you to call for the deaths of ANY child based on a "what could happen" scenario?



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    Reread what I wrote there... It wasn't on a "what could happen" basis. It was on factual basis because conception DOES happen to rape victums, to incest victums.

    Just because the stats you find doesn't back my post means squat. 90% of rapes and molestations go UNREPORTED. 

    As for your nice term "rape baby" That term belongs to you not me.

    And my questions weren't worded "what about babies being born and possibily being molested or raped?"  My questions where for those who have been there and conceived a baby from that kind of horrible situation. I know as a woman if I was raped I would not be able to carry and deliver my rapist's child. I would resent that child for being born because unfortunately that child would remind me of that moment in time when I was violated. Sounds cold yes but it is the truth.

    As for those women strong enough to beable to deal with that situation GREAT FOR THEM... But I know of several women who aren't and wouldn't be.

    Again I agree abortion in horrific and terrible but it is something that is also available because WOMEN wanted and NEEDED it.

    So WWJD Deal with it. But again your opinion is like assholes everyone has one!

  •  01-24-2007, 7:44 PM

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    Also it was pretty convient that you didn't tear apart what I wrote about adoption... Because it is true. Unless you go through private adoption where you actually get to pick your babies new parents, then your baby goes into an overloaded system of unwanted children. Also WWJD if in the future your wife or daughter is raped/molested and conceives from this rape you will then know what it sort of feels like for a women to have to make that kind of choice.

    and for the record I did watch the ENTIRE video from the black and white of the doctors to the bloody removable of the fetus and the entire time all I heard was your patronizing hateful voice speaking.

    This is a woman's choice, It is HER body.  We aren't just vessels for carrying babies.

  •  01-24-2007, 9:12 PM

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    ok, I had been going to stay out of this because I refuse to watch the video or look at the pictures, but I just have the urge to contradict people tonight so here goes.

    First off, I'm pro-life, except in the case of a rape victim, then I feel it's the woman's choice. The reason I'm pro life is because as soon as a woman makes the decision to have sex, she KNOWS there is a possibility of becoming pregnant. No form of birth control is 100% reliable 100% of the time. I understand there are circumstances where a woman feels unable or not ready to care for a child, I had my first one at 18 so I do understand how hard it is. There are always other options though and I know for a fact that your fetus can move on it's own before three months. That must mean it's alive at that point. In nine months time a woman can make a decision better then she can in less then three. Most women I know who have ever had an abortion have always regretted it, and that's something they'll have to deal with for the rest of their lives.

    So before you go saying how women need abortion options, look in the mirror and at all the babies around you, then think about all the ones that will never be because some women chose to have sex without thinking about the consequences that could occur.

    K, I'm done now, no hate mail for me people, you don't like it suck it up.  Smile [:)]


    I'm smiling. That alone should scare you.
  •  01-24-2007, 9:17 PM

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     spyn i totally agree with your statements   but since alot of women  agree to those abortion   we might as well provide them the best and safest ways to do it   even if we do not agree with it    and they will probably rot in hell for doing it

    stupidity governs the world
  •  01-24-2007, 9:24 PM

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    Maybe they should up the rules then. Anyone under 18 must have a parent or guardian with them and anyone who has had more then one should have to have their tubes tied. It would cut down on the amount of people who think abortion is a birth control at least. Everything has to start somewhere and those look like a good somewhere to me.
    I'm smiling. That alone should scare you.
  •  01-24-2007, 9:26 PM

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    sound veery reasonable to me    

    stupidity governs the world
  •  01-24-2007, 9:45 PM

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    I don't agree with the suggestion of having tubes tied,...A person who is 20 is not the same person they are at 30

    This topic honestly pisses me off...

    No decision when pregnant is easy...

    Ya they should have thought of it before they had sex....but it happens..people have sex..they take the percautions...take all the steps..but sometimes they do get pregnant..

    And what about the woman who finds out that the baby they are carrying has mental or physical deformaties....are they being selfish carrying the baby to term so that the child suffers all their lives..or are they being selfish saving them from suffering...

    What about the woman that finds out she has a tubular pregnancy and if she continues the pregnancy her and the baby will die,,,,she has a D & C...it is still an abortion...but is neccessary...not everything in life is black and white....

  •  01-24-2007, 10:07 PM

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    Mindy Said: Also WWJD if in the future your wife or daughter is raped/molested and conceives from this rape you will then know what it sort of feels like for a women to have to make that kind of choice.

    You don;t know me well, Mindy.

    My grandmother was one of the .05% of rape victims who were impregnated.

    My half-aunt is a stewardess now and her husband is a pilot.

    So before you go off at the mouth about "what it feels like" take a deep breath, count to 10 and go watch Oprah or the View.


    Dan Lirette

    www.icminternational.org
  •  01-26-2007, 5:57 AM

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    There i go again, WWJD dont shoot me.

    Yes, morally abortion is wrong, there is o doubt about it. it is cruel, and it is painful no matter what any MAN here thinks. It is proven that a child in the woam who is aborted screames in pain.  god would not want it..and remember he killed a man because he spilled his seed outside of his wife, what makes you think he condons abortions? " be fruitful and multiply" ring a bell anyone

     

    BUT!! There are women who panic, who are ashamed, who cannot support it, have no moral support who will have abortions ANYWAY! And will die of infections and will use  other methods. When abortions were banned, women used coat hangers or went to a BUTCHER ( a name for a man who is not a doctor but will kill your baby) Thats is why it is legal.

    If women will do it anyway, atleast it should be safe, and not hid because it will cause more injury and pain then good. Abortions clinics are not here to kill babies for fun, they are here to help desperate women. NO! i do not support ABORTIONS EVER!!!!!!!!! I think it is sick and disgusting, but i know that i have friends that had an abortion, and i rather have her here today, even hough she has major guilt, then watch her die out of desperation


    ~~Cuz' Love is what matters;after all~~
  •  01-29-2007, 10:59 AM

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    Wanna read something scary?

    Never mind those "Saw" movies or the Hannibal Lecter films.

    This is more frightening than all of it.

     

  •  01-29-2007, 11:02 AM

    Re: Pro Choice Or Pro Life?

    now that should be stop   

    it a real horror story

    stupidity governs the world
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