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I just recieved this letter....just to show you I was concerned.  I did not do it to bash the SPCA...I wanted this not to happen again....that is all.  Did WSPA get rude with me ....no they care so they told me how to help.

Good morning,

The best thing to do would be to contact the Ontario SPCA to give them your report about what happened with your experience at the Moncton SPCA. This should not have occurred and they should be made aware of this situation so they can correct it. They would be the ones who can follow up to check things out. Their phone number for investigations is: 1-888-668-7722 ext. 342

 

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WOW,

Why has this become an all out war??? personally i think everyone who's ever had a pet should be thanking wardsha for the warning... Not everyone can afford to microchip their pets (I certainly can't) and those of us who don't ahve that convenience rely on collars... and when some psycho is removing our pet's collars and dropping them god knows where Its a little distressing. I would like to be able to know for sure that when i call in looking for ym pet someone will care enough to actually look for ym pet... I think as a society it is very sad that we are no longer able to rely on the kindness of other poeple (not to mention that these other people will do their JOB regardless of how high or low paying the jobs may be) but instead we must do it all for ourselves. Just because an animal isnt higher risk (hurt or sick) doesnt make it less a priority.

And for wardsha, a victim of this system, to try and help others who may face a summer of this same issue to be atacked for warning others and teaching them what she has learned from the situation is unforgivable. Some people should feel ashamed of themselves... Where is the sense of commerodery that should come as being fellow animal lovers.

If the spca has a reputation to overcome already then they should be steping up in their people skills a bit and changing it. So everyone should hold their tongues where the rudness and LAZINESS of these "volunteers" is concerned because the shelter has been given a bad name before? the shelter should be listening to the complants and perhaps giving their staff some sensitivity training instead of complaining that they're not well liked in the community.

I hardly think Wardsha was attacked here. It was she who attacked the SPCA in general with the title of this thread, and some have chimed in to defend them. Instead of "Do Not Trust the SPCA," a much more appropriate title would have been "Dissapointed with SPCA," or SPCA Staff Member Needs Training." And even that is subject to whether or not a mistake was made in this case.

 

As for the commerodery among fellow animal lovers, who helps more animals out than the SPCA and their staff? In addition, I commended Wardsha for the help and care she has given to animals, and I believe others did too.

The point is Wardsha's cat was lost, someone at the SPCA failed to identify it among over 100 other cats when called about it, they took care of it for 4 days until she went in and got it, and now they are apparently un-trustworthy.

 

In addition, you (Wardsha) have sent this same thread to many other forums, with the same title I assume and information (that they have 20 cats on-site etc)? Nice work....that's really going to help the animals out.

 

Is this Moncton.net or DramaQueen.net?

Where is telling my story and my experience .... and hoping it wouldn't happen to anyone else so horrible?  I was wrong...I thought this was a public message board...and I thought message boards you could post openly? 

And in what planet can you not express your concerns about an organization, especially an organization funded by the people?  When was freedom of speach banned? You would have been one of those people screaming...shhhh dont' tell on the Redcross for giving people aids or HIV....it might make them look bad.  If there is wrong doing...people should know.  How can it be fixed if I shut my mouth and never told?  I never lied in my posting...I only told all the facts.  If my friend came on here she could give you more details about what she personally experienced.  They where saying one thing to me and another to her.  She never got an apology.....she called them ever day looking for that cat...for the 4 days he was gone.  EVERYDAY...nobody notices her cat was there. She left her name and number...there is obviously a problem that needs to be fixed.

I was just posting a warning...that was it nothing more.  Instead of saying...you know maybe change your title...or tell me who I should be contacting to resolve this matter.  The "not so loving pet lovers" on this board got really childish and pathetic.  A true animal would care for the safety of all animls...even strangers.  So they would have valued my information...so they could work out how to best resolve it.  That is what the other people are doing on the othere board.  If I said nothing I would not be helping anyone in the future. If I said the SPCA should be closed immediatly or they do nothing right ....or they are useless...then I could see the issues with my posting. But warning people to go in and check to see for themselves if their animal is there is how is that so horrible and so detremental...give me a break.  I have heard worse about them.  There has been write ups in the paper that are far worse then anything I expressed on here, and all those stories were based on fact also.

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"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. Eleanor Roosevelt"

"No one loves you unconditionally as your beloved pet." ~~I have nothing but sympathy for those that can't relate.

""In addition, you (Wardsha) have sent this same thread to many other forums, with the same title I assume and information (that they have 20 cats on-site etc)? Nice work....that's really going to help the animals out.""

That's a very mature attitude and then you continue on asking about the forum... To which (echoing your own attitude back) we could all respond, "Look at your address bar... Mine says Moncton.net." I applaud your first paragraph... very well spoken. (wrong and devil's advocat-esque as it was...) But you COMPLETELY made any point null with your sarcastic attack in closing. Are you actually trying to REPRIMAND this person (wardsha)? Because to put yourself in a position to do so it would ahve been better to take a high road. (Or a flying leap, in my opinion.) What the heck?!!?! It shouldn't have mattered if there were 20 cats or 1500. SOMEONE there should have been able to identify a cat brought in withen that period... You're such a defender of the MONCTON spca (because we're not talking about the organization as a whole), shouldn't there be RECORDS of the animals brought in? Even if the Oh-So-Busy person working teh phones that day couldn't remove herself/ himself from the Oh-So-Important post for the 10 minutes (MAYBE) it would have taken to look for a black cat or a white cat or a multicoloured cat in a room full of colourful cats (we're not talking needles in haystacks BTW) there is no reason the person couldnt pul a file or 2 and see which "strays" were brought in recently...

In short:

I believe we're at Moncton.net but if i had to close my eyes and guess i'd assume it was "whenpeoplewithtoomuchtimeontheirhandsattack.net"

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Well said Paladin. That basically sums up what i was trying to say, although much better. If you discussed this with them (SPCA) then I hope that it is looked into and a similar occurrance may be avoided in the future.

 

I think Wardsha has probably done more to help animals in need than most of us (including me), so again, I thank you on behalf on those you have helped.

It was not the same person that answered the phone each time we called...there was probably about 5 concerned calls. 

When my friend went in to hand out pictures to them...they said I think we put that one down yesterday because it was ill (refering to my cat)...Then they said no there is no cat like that here....she left.  I went in the SECOND time...because I thought the euthanzed my cat.  I searched all the rooms and I specifically asked the person that showed me around if my cat could have been put down.  She said maybe. I said do you have records.  She said no we don't keep them. I said what about the collars do you keep the collars?  She said no.

Then my friend went back in and ASKED to look...there for her cat, they never gave that option to her the first time.  When she found her baby...the records indicated that it was picked up on the same street as she lived...all info that she gave them numerous times.  I do not live in a huge area....We live in one of the more country type settings.  It was dropped of the same day it went missing IN THE MORNING...she called after supper that same day. The told her each time she called her cat was not there

When my friend called the next day to voice her concern over everything that transpired to someone higher up about all the information, she was told...I was told...nothing the same...all contridicting......one person saying one thing....one person contradicting the other...she basically just kept throwing in her face that it was all her fault and just talked about the bi law.  She never desputed that her cat shouldn't have been out...NEITHER DID I.  The point is we were trying desperatley to get our cats back...calling...going in...calling...going in...giving pictures...etc. They admitted no wrong doing.  Yes their was wrong doing.  All they had to do was offer an apology....and all they had to do on the phone is say we are too busy its best to come in.  That is it...and that is all I was trying to do. When my friend questioned about the keeping no records for animals put down the lady said ofcourse we keep records.  Then she was told there is no record of a cat like that being put down.

I filed a complaint already with them...my friend is still waiting for the manager to return her call to file her complaint.

So where is the problem of not trusting them.  Yes I think people should be weary and demand to go in and look for their pet.  I see know problem with that...and any true animal lover that views their pet as family would understand my story and my pain and be just as outraged as me and DEMAND they fix it.

So I have tried dealing with this with the Moncton SPCA....they see no wrong doing.  They wont fix it if they can't admit it's broken. I sent this to the NBSPCA..also the head association, WSPA, and the SPCA that wspa recommended.  So how did I not do anything about it????

Most people would have just whined and complained...and did nothing..that is not me. 

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"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. Eleanor Roosevelt"

"No one loves you unconditionally as your beloved pet." ~~I have nothing but sympathy for those that can't relate.

Wardsha wrote:

It was not the same person that answered the phone each time we called...there was probably about 5 concerned calls. 

When my friend went in to hand out pictures to them...they said I think we put that one down yesterday because it was ill (refering to my cat)...Then they said no there is no cat like that here....she left.  I went in the SECOND time...because I thought the euthanzed my cat.  I searched all the rooms and I specifically asked the person that showed me around if my cat could have been put down.  She said maybe. I said do you have records.  She said no we don't keep them. I said what about the collars do you keep the collars?  She said no.

Then my friend went back in and ASKED to look...there for her cat, they never gave that option to her the first time.  When she found her baby...the records indicated that it was picked up on the same street as she lived...all info that she gave them numerous times.  I do not live in a huge area....We live in one of the more country type settings.  It was dropped of the same day it went missing IN THE MORNING...she called after supper that same day. The told her each time she called her cat was not there

When my friend called the next day to voice her concern over everything that transpired to someone higher up about all the information, she was told...I was told...nothing the same...all contridicting......one person saying one thing....one person contradicting the other...she basically just kept throwing in her face that it was all her fault and just talked about the bi law.  She never desputed that her cat shouldn't have been out...NEITHER DID I.  The point is we were trying desperatley to get our cats back...calling...going in...calling...going in...giving pictures...etc. They admitted no wrong doing.  Yes their was wrong doing.  All they had to do was offer an apology....and all they had to do on the phone is say we are too busy its best to come in.  That is it...and that is all I was trying to do. When my friend questioned about the keeping no records for animals put down the lady said ofcourse we keep records.  Then she was told there is no record of a cat like that being put down.

I filed a complaint already with them...my friend is still waiting for the manager to return her call to file her complaint.

So where is the problem of not trusting them.  Yes I think people should be weary and demand to go in and look for their pet.  I see know problem with that...and any true animal lover that views their pet as family would understand my story and my pain and be just as outraged as me and DEMAND they fix it.

So I have tried dealing with this with the Moncton SPCA....they see no wrong doing.  They wont fix it if they can't admit it's broken. I sent this to the NBSPCA..also the head association, WSPA, and the SPCA that wspa recommended.  So how did I not do anything about it????

Most people would have just whined and complained...and did nothing..that is not me. 

 

I would like to suggest that you send a revised letter to the Editorial Page of the Times & Transcript, and to City Hall. If all that you are saying is true,  and I have no reason to doubt you as yet, then these things need to have much more light shone on them.

Good luck and do keep us " Posted ."

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I agree they have flaws. But you have to give them a break also. When I went looking for my cat, I did not call ahead of time (how could I describe a multi colour cat to them on the phone, they must have dozens of them). If you assumed that they have only aprox. 20 cats there, well your the one that made the mistake. It's the time of year for cats to breed. They must be getting like 20 cats a day and only a few goes to a home. Think about it, you have to take care of all those cats, would you remember a specific one if described to you? Prob not. I get that you were worried and all but it all comes down to your kids let the cat out. You kids should be well aware that if they leave the door open the cat will go. It's not the SPCA's fault for that. Everyone knows where the SPCA is, why should it have been a employee job to go check for your lost cat (among dozens and dozens of other cats) that has been mistakenly let outside? They even took care of your cat and now you come here with a topic like that and expect everyone to agree with you? You should be thankfull that they care for animals. If not for the SPCA, you think you would have seen your cat again?

Did the SPCA post flyers around the city with your name on it and something of the sort "Untrustworthy person, doesn't watch her aminals, just a fair warning to other animal lovers"

It wouldn't be very fair, now would it?

Would you want people to stop going to the SPCA, stop trusting them? Should people be scared away from the SPCA? I can garantee with a statement like that, some will stop going to the SPCA. We need them, our animals need them. Don't try to give them a bad rep. Please.

 

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Just waiting till it's all over.

I did send a copy to the editor through canadaeast.com.  That was the whole reason I wrote about my story...sorry  left that one out. 

 

 

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"No one loves you unconditionally as your beloved pet." ~~I have nothing but sympathy for those that can't relate.

Cautiouslizard wrote:

I agree they have flaws. But you have to give them a break also. When I went looking for my cat, I did not call ahead of time (how could I describe a multi colour cat to them on the phone, they must have dozens of them). If you assumed that they have only aprox. 20 cats there, well your the one that made the mistake. It's the time of year for cats to breed. They must be getting like 20 cats a day and only a few goes to a home. Think about it, you have to take care of all those cats, would you remember a specific one if described to you? Prob not. I get that you were worried and all but it all comes down to your kids let the cat out. You kids should be well aware that if they leave the door open the cat will go. It's not the SPCA's fault for that. Everyone knows where the SPCA is, why should it have been a employee job to go check for your lost cat (among dozens and dozens of other cats) that has been mistakenly let outside? They even took care of your cat and now you come here with a topic like that and expect everyone to agree with you? You should be thankfull that they care for animals. If not for the SPCA, you think you would have seen your cat again?

Did the SPCA post flyers around the city with your name on it and something of the sort "Untrustworthy person, doesn't watch her aminals, just a fair warning to other animal lovers"

It wouldn't be very fair, now would it?

Would you want people to stop going to the SPCA, stop trusting them? Should people be scared away from the SPCA? I can garantee with a statement like that, some will stop going to the SPCA. We need them, our animals need them. Don't try to give them a bad rep. Please.

 

 

Sorry Cautious,

I don't agree with everything stated here...

" I get that you were worried and all but it all comes down to your kids let the cat out. You kids should be well aware that if they leave the door open the cat will go"

This happens..I am 32 and have two cats and as much as I watch the door each time I open it sometimes they slip through..I am aware they will try to get out when possible..but...in the same note like I said, this happens...I don't feel that the children should be meant to feel it was there fault..

And to the person quite a few posts up that said that this site should be name  www.toomuchtime.blahbalh  whatever it was you said...Well...you are on here posting aren't you and taking the time to read,...  Don't even get me started on that..

Nice to see people debating once again. I can personally say I have not dealth with the SPCA except to say when my friends dog died they came and pick up the animal for a small fee which I appreciated. But knock on wood I have never had to deal with them since. I am sorry about your story.

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Cautiouslizard ....where exactly did I say they weren't busy or weren't in high demand...I am not sure what you are reading but it's not my posts...please point that out to me. ...Didn't I agree it was my mistake, that my cat got out.  If someone's kid is stolen would you rub it in their face too, or would you help them find them?  To me my pets are like my kids...there is know difference except they have fur.  My kids aren't stupid...they new what they did...should I yell at my child make them feel like dirt for letting my cat out, you obviously aren't a parent...and have never been around kids...he let the cat out, he knew it was wrong..his heart was crushed...when the cat didn't come home he kicked himself around enough...he cried his sister cried (her cat)...So should I have made him feel worse???? What if the cat had of died...I would have crushed my son.  we went out side looking AS SOON AS IT HAPPENED...I am a jogger...you can't catch a cat...my cat was not let out and we sat here saying oh well. MY CAT IS AN INDOOR CAT!!!!!!!!!!!  You are not a pet owner either obviously...or you are darn near perfect. I did not say they had to remember every cat...can you read my posts before answering or putting your two cents in just to attack???   I said all they had to say on the phone IT"S BEST TO COME IN AND LOOK YOURSELF...that is it?  How am I suppose to know that they don't know when they pretend they know? Do you not know how absurd that sounds?

They could post my name and say I am a irresponsible pet owner...EVERYONE I KNOW WOULD LAUGH!!!!!  I am the go to person...when they found an unwanted pet.  I have taken in abused, neglected, and HURT ANIMALS.  I have taken in animals on their death bed to love and grieve when they die.  I have given up alot of goals and material things to keep all the anmals I have.  I have worked two jobs to support them. I do not take donations...it's not a job...it's my FAMILY.  Just last month someone I barely know...their dog attacked their cat...shacked it in his mouth...they didn't have any money to take the cat to the vet...I GAVE THEM THE MONEY.  I am basically a stranger...but I could not let that cat suffer.  It didn't make it...but I tried. I have more pets then a farm...and all mine are vacinated, fixed, vet checked and loved....so the flyers would be wrong.  I know all my pets names and I can tell you what room they are in and what their favorite things to play and do.  They are loved and loved well So don't try to make me sound like I am a bad pet owner...just because you want to join in with your friends to play bash the animal lover game.

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"No one loves you unconditionally as your beloved pet." ~~I have nothing but sympathy for those that can't relate.