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Today's cannabis is harder and meaner
Last post 10-28-2007, 8:13 PM by notme. 46 replies.
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Re: Today's cannabis is harder and meaner
Still don't agree that is impairs someone worse than alchool. Sorry. I do speak from exp. Yes hydro exist but now your talking about chemicals and not just natrually grown pot. I have never seen (new pot smokers as much as old ones) get so impaired by smoking a few joints that they cannot drive. Alchool on the other hand is a different matter, you can have one beer and think you are ok to drive but your judgements are impaired. I never talked about hydro cause I think people that smoke it are willing to do harder drugs. i on the other hand will not smoke it cause it's chemicals. Natrual pot does not affect someone as much as alchool does. I have seen all three (pot, hader drugs and alchool) behind the wheel. I would much rather be with a (natural) pot smoker than the other options. If they have smoked pot for years, it's even less noticable.
With all the medications out there, I don't even know why peple b*tch about pot. Read the lable on most med. It's clearly states on it, avoid heavy motor vehicles (but most don't care and get behind the wheel). Why cause it impairs your judgement. Most people out on the roads are taking some meds that will do that. And people dare to b*tch about pot, a natural product that was placed on this earth and (the natural pot and not hydro) smoke it as is. OMG.
Just waiting till it's all over.
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07-12-2007, 3:34 PM |
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2007 07 12
Decriminalize marijuana and ”tax the hell out of it,” B.C. senator says
DATE: Jul 11, 17:06
By Jeremy Hainsworth VANCOUVER (CP) — A B.C. Liberal senator says the federal government should decriminalize marijuana and ”tax the hell out of it,” with the revenue going to public services such as health care.
Senator Larry Campbell says too much time and effort is being wasted with criminal prosecutions for minor amounts of the drug while organized crime reaps massive profits from the drug’s cultivation.
And, he says, a lot of police officers are looking the other way when it comes to busting people for having marijuana.
He said Wednesday it’s a drain on officers’ time to spend five hours producing paperwork for marijuana charges.
The drug should be treated the same way alcohol is with its production controlled and sales regulated, Campbell said. “This is not a drug that causes criminality,” he said. “People are getting criminal records for essentially nothing.”
A new study shows Canadians surpass Americans and even the Dutch when it comes to trying marijuana, but drug policy experts say it’s not a cause for concern.
The UN’s 2007 World Drug Report found 16.8 per cent of Canadians between the ages of 15 and 64 used pot in 2004 — the highest rate among developed nations.
The report studied the prevalence of marijuana use in 2005 or the latest year for which data was available. By comparison, 12.6 per cent of American respondents said they have tried pot. Britain, France, Germany and Japan all reported much lower rates than Canada.
However, despite the rise in the social acceptance of marijuana, the number of people arrested for smoking pot rose dramatically in several Canadian cities last year.
The spike in arrests came after the Conservatives took office and killed a bill to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana. Several police officials say the trend is linked directly to that move.
National statistics will be released next week but preliminary figures compiled by The Canadian Press suggest the number of arrests jumped by more than one-third in several Canadian cities. Toronto, Vancouver, Ottawa and Halifax all reported increases of between 20 and 50 per cent in 2006 from the previous year.
Montreal and Calgary had their arrest numbers dip slightly. As a result, thousands of people were charged with a criminal offence that just recently was within a whisker of extinction.
In 2002, 26,882 people were charged with marijuana offences. As the issue worked its way through Parliament prior to falling off the order paper as the election arrived in 2006, the numbers of those charged plunged and held steady below the 19,000 mark. The head of one police association said many forces simply stopped laying charges after the Liberals first introduced a decriminalization bill under Jean Chretien in 2003.
“There were several police jurisdictions not laying the simple … possession charges,” said Terry McLaren, president of the Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police.
“Everybody was waiting for what was going to happen. ... There’d be no use clogging up the court system with that decriminalization bill there. ” “’When that was defeated, I’d say it was business as usual.”
Campbell couldn’t say how marijuana would be produced and if it could be the federal government that would grow the plants. ”I don’t know how that would work,” he said. ”if you wanted to grow a plant in your backyard, so what,” he said. ”It’s like me going and making plonk at the wine store.”
== Senator Larry Campbell can be reached at
info@larrycampbell.ca
I sent him the following e-mail
Dear Senator Campbell
I read your comments about decriminalizing marijuana and strongly disagree. As someone who has been deeply involved with such groups as Toughlove Canada and others, I feel you are greatly misinformed about its effects and dangers.
I'm enclosing a copy of a recent article that I think you may have missed.
XXXXXXXX
Moncton,NB
Not the groovy '60s: Today's cannabis is harder and meaner
For Don Smyth, it was the kind of encounter he has had too often. A Filipino family had invited him to their little townhouse in Toronto to see whether he could help rescue their 18-year-old son, who was about to be expelled from school for drug trafficking. Mr. Smyth, a therapist, specializes in drug prevention and addiction among young adults.
When the kid was roused from bed, Mr. Smyth saw he was severely addicted. "He showed all the physical signs - agitation, restlessness, aggression - that I used to see in people withdrawing from cocaine." But the drug wasn't cocaine. It was marijuana.
Last week, people reacted with outrage over the story of Kieran King, the 15-year-old Saskatchewan student whose school came down on him like a sledgehammer because he dared to argue that marijuana is relatively benign.
The vast majority of the marijuana inhaled today is not the mellow weed you and I remember from our youth. It is many times more powerful. In fact, the United Nations now classifies Canadian-grown marijuana as a hard drug whose destructive power puts it in the same league as cocaine.
Today's harder, meaner cannabis is a scourge in many of Canada's poorer neighbourhoods. It is a spreading affliction on native reserves and, in the cities, is intimately linked with the deadly duo of guns and gangs. It has an especially devastating effect among certain ethnic minorities. "These kids get outcomes from today's stimulant marijuana that are very hard to describe to someone who's only familiar with pot," Mr. Smyth says.
How did such a nice drug turn so nasty? Blame a revolution in greenhouse technology, along with genetic engineering and the cross-breeding of seed stock from Asia and the Middle East. This potent stuff now dominates the market. The UN says it is "distinct enough in appearance and potency to be considered a separate drug." The evidence shows that it can be highly addictive, especially for kids who suffer from depression, behavioural problems or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
It causes paranoia, aggressiveness and psychosis, and it sharply elevates the risk of schizophrenia. It is very bad, indeed, for people with asthma or multiple sclerosis.
A decade ago, The Independent, a major British daily, led the campaign to decriminalize marijuana. In March, it ran a front-page editorial under the headline "Cannabis: An Apology." It changed its stand "because of the growing weight of evidence that cannabis contributes to mental illness."
Griffith Edwards, founder of Britain's National Addiction Centre, has also done an about-face. "Thirty or forty years ago, I was writing that cannabis was a drug without harm and dependence, but I've had to eat my hat."
This month, the BBC has been running a series of confessional stories about mental-health problems and soaring addiction rates caused by today's cannabis. Meantime, in the Netherlands, the formerly tolerant Dutch are closing dozens of "coffee houses" where you could once toke up to your heart's content.
Unfortunately, you won't learn any of this if you live in Canada, where the people who run the media and make drug policy are stuck back in the groovy 1960s. In fact, we're rather proud of our enlightened cannabis policies - so different from those of the backward Americans - and our world-class B.C. bud. We treat pot activists such as Marc Emery as folk heroes. Even our health authorities - the ones who are demanding zero tolerance for cigarettes and trans fats - continue to promote the view that cannabis is harmless. Health Canada has decreed that it's medically "effective" for people with various chronic conditions, a position that could come back to haunt the government when the lawsuits begin to fly.
"In the real world, marijuana today is no longer about the children of our elites headed for higher education," Mr. Smyth says. "It is very much about future hope and opportunities for non-academic kids." He's haunted by the young lives he's seen destroyed. And he's waiting for the day when our enlightened leaders will start to smarten up.
The reply came from one of his assiatants
From..
campbell-assist2@SEN.PARL.GC.CA
Dear Mr. XXXXXXX,
I am writing on behalf of Senator Campbell, regarding your correspondence from earlier today.
Senator Campbell understands and appreciates your point that marijuana itself has changed throughout the years, as the article you sent along points out. However, the Senator believes that the toxicity levels of marijuana could be regulated, if only marijuana (like tobacco) was government-regulated and checked for quality control.
Senator Campbell does not seek to increase availability of marijuana or to encourage use. Rather, he hopes that if marijuana were legalized by the federal government and put under its control (as alcohol and tobacco are), youths would be restricted and therefore have less access to marijuana than they do today, with marijuana dealing in the control of an uncaring criminal element. As well, the government could make a profit by taxing an industry that effectively already exists, and put that money into health care and treatment for those who are addicted to harsher drugs.
If you have any further questions or comments, please do not hesitate to contact our office.
Sincerely,
Madeline Knickerbocker
Madeline Knickerbocker Special Assistant to Senator Larry W. Campbell The Senate of Canada Room 708, Victoria Building Ottawa, On K1A 0A4 TEL: (613) 995-4050 FAX: (613) 995-4056 TOLL FREE : 1-800-267-7362
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I really think that Senator Campbell should get a few more like e-mails.
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10-26-2007, 5:05 PM |
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link between pot and hard drugs
2007 10 26
Experts clash on link between pot and hard drugs
Ongoing research suggests that smoking marijuana may open the door to the use of harder drugs such as cocaine and heroin, an expert on the topic said Thursday.
Denise Kandel, a researcher with the Department of Psychiatry at Columbia University in New York, said analysis would seem to point toward a link.
Kandel is involved in six areas of drug-related research, including the gateway hypothesis of drug involvement.
"I really believe, based on the evidence that I've seen, that using marijuana increases the risk of using other drugs, but I am not going to use the word causes," Kandel said.
"If you look backwards at the people who have ever used cocaine and you (ask) how many of them have used marijuana, (you'll) find it generally at around 95 per cent."
Earlier this week, RCMP announced its annual marijuana-eradication program had been responsible for seizing as many as 20,000 plants.
Police believe that, if young people use marijuana, it could lead to harder chemical drugs.
Kandel said studies have found that individuals who use marijuana have a much higher risk of turning to cocaine, heroin or other drugs of that nature.
But, cautioned Kandel, additional research will have to be carried out to further define the issue.
"I am sure that a positive link will be made," Kandel said. "Another possibility is the (prime) use of cocaine increases the use of marijuana. The link may go both ways."
Kandel said researchers are close to determining whether the marijuana-hard drug link exists
Gordon Skead, regional director of addiction services for River Valley Health in Fredericton, also feels a link could exist.
"I think people need to look at what they're doing, how they're doing it and who they are doing it with," Skead said.
"I think they need to get educated about risks. I think people need to get more information about what it can and what it can't do."
That includes an exchange of information from children in school to their parents so that concerns can be talked about and avenues opened so that everyone is on the same page, he said.
Skead said he welcomed the news that thousands of marijuana plants had been seized by the RCMP.
"If we can decrease the demand as much as we decrease the supply, we are probably on our way to success in terms of changing people's use practices," Skead said.
Wende Wood, a psychiatric pharmacist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto, said the evidence for a link isn't there.
"When you talk to people on harder drugs, they started with marijuana but most people who drink alcohol, started with milk," Wood said.
"Does that mean milk is a gateway to alcohol? Very few people go from alcohol straight over to heroin. A lot of it is based on availability. Kids often start with cigarettes, then alcohol and pot is the next available thing. Some people continue on to other things but that's a small minority."
For most people, said Wood, marijuana is more of an end to drugs. It's not as if marijuana does something to make someone crave other drugs, she said.
"For the vast majority, marijuana and alcohol is as far as they go."
Blair Longley, the leader of the Montreal-based Marijuana Party of Canada, said there may be a tiny group of people adversely impacted by marijuana but even that hasn't been proven.
If there is a connection between pot and hard drugs, he said, it's one that's been created by politicians who make possession illegal and by the police who enforce the law.
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10-27-2007, 7:35 AM |
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Re: Today's cannabis is harder and meaner
Weed What a hole in the pocket. Yup its strong, and yup every last kid i know smokes it on a regular basis. Ten bucks a gram..$60 for 45 and so on. It is expensive and it is strong. The amount of THC in my generatons pot is huge. It has become an addcitive drug, and we smoke it at school, home. work, or anywhere. Nobody takes it seriously, schools suspend kids for posession, but if you have under 3 grams, they cant say your trafficking, and nothng really happens. the law hardly enforces it, trust me, i know that you can get away with having two grams in your pocket and a pipe in your shoe.
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10-27-2007, 12:43 PM |
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Somebody told me thc stood for Tim Horton coffee once.
You only live life once.
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10-27-2007, 5:16 PM |
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Well you can buy a 12 pkg for 20.00$ (depends on sales and brands) and you can buy weed for a lower cost and I won't be all f*cked up when I decide to go somewheres. Kids shouldn't be doing either, they are just not old enough to have adult privilages. But for a working adults, why not? Drinking have a way bigger impacted on one's life than pot will ever have. Pot was placed here (some decided to not go the natrual way but the pot plant was not created by man).
Just waiting till it's all over.
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10-28-2007, 7:43 AM |
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I agree with catious. You dont get as messed up as you do with alcohol. Not even close. You can still function and you can still go bout your life without falling on the ground and throwing up. Hell i can do math! I have a friend who just got caught stoned in class..got sent home..and they had a good loook at him, ad you can see the effects from only a year of continous use. He forgets things easy, his speech ability has changed, and he is just totally unmotivated. This s the same kid who was on honor roll last year and had a reat future. Not he is failing schoool and lost all hisfriends because he is always stoned.
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10-28-2007, 1:51 PM |
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Re: Today's cannabis is harder and meaner
Cautiouslizard wrote:Well you can buy a 12 pkg for 20.00$ (depends on sales and brands) and you can buy weed for a lower cost and I won't be all f*cked up when I decide to go somewheres. Kids shouldn't be doing either, they are just not old enough to have adult privilages. But for a working adults, why not? Drinking have a way bigger impacted on one's life than pot will ever have. Pot was placed here (some decided to not go the natrual way but the pot plant was not created by man).
but today hydrophonic pot is created by man it has all kind of chemicals and other stuff in it ....... and magic mushroom were not created by man either soit should be ok to take those also .. start picking it the right time of year
stupidity governs the world freedom in Canada where is it
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10-28-2007, 2:20 PM |
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How does marijuana affect driving ability?
Driving experiments show that marijuana affects a wide range of skills needed for safe driving -- thinking and reflexes are slowed, making it hard for drivers to respond to sudden, unexpected events. Also, a driver's ability to "track" (stay in lane) through curves, to brake quickly, and to maintain speed and the proper distance between cars is affected. Research shows that these skills are impaired for at least 4-6 hours after smoking a single marijuana cigarette, long after the "high" is gone. If a person drinks alcohol, along with using marijuana, the risk of an accident greatly increases. Marijuana presents a definite danger on the road.
From ADA; Division of Alcohol and Drug Abuse
http:www.danlirette.com
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10-28-2007, 2:42 PM |
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marijuanais as bad as being drug on the whell you are still impaired for it wether you believe it or not .. what i am hope for is a marjuna test done by the road side just like the breathelyser ......
stupidity governs the world freedom in Canada where is it
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10-28-2007, 3:37 PM |
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Re: Today's cannabis is harder and meaner
DanLirette wrote:How does marijuana affect driving ability?
Driving experiments show that marijuana affects a wide range of skills needed for safe driving -- thinking and reflexes are slowed, making it hard for drivers to respond to sudden, unexpected events. Also, a driver's ability to "track" (stay in lane) through curves, to brake quickly, and to maintain speed and the proper distance between cars is affected. Research shows that these skills are impaired for at least 4-6 hours after smoking a single marijuana cigarette, long after the "high" is gone. If a person drinks alcohol, along with using marijuana, the risk of an accident greatly increases. Marijuana presents a definite danger on the road.
From ADA; Division of Alcohol and Drug Abuse
This reminds me of a time when I was going to the Tech. Some of us used to smoke the stuff and it was great. I was driving, flying, or possibly floating home one day in 5:00 pm traffic and a song I liked came on the stereo. I wanted to adjust the sound so I started to adjust the underdash equalizer. As I was going under the subway I was playing away I started to look at the little led power meters. I turned the corner to go along Record Street. Somebody had the nerve to lay on the horn and ruin my music. It was then I realized I was driving with my hand on the wheel and my head almost under the dash. I laugh at it now but at the time it almost scared the poop out of me.
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10-28-2007, 4:36 PM |
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I don't smoke hydro. I wouldn't take any mushrooms as I was always told that some are poison so why would I bother with them. It's not my fault people are stupid and are willing to eat all sorts of crap. But pot, should be the least of the populations concern, they should focus more on alcohol that pose a real threat, that really impaires judgement. Smoke pot and let's see if you will feel like going to steal a car, naw you'll think about it for a few but drop the idea cause it requires movement. But nope, pot is sooo bad that it's illegal but hey I can go buy a pint of vodka and slam it in teh parking lot of the liquor store, then take off in my car. What's so wrong, it's legal so no harm can be done right.
Just waiting till it's all over.
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10-28-2007, 7:45 PM |
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you canalso smoke pot and drive recklous and have an accident who fault is it the liquor
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