Moncton Forum

beansprout wrote:

The commercial was probably made by some big city advertising company by people who never even set foot in New Brunswick. Luckilly they don't do a commercial about Moncton or it will probably contain lots of Timmy's shops and gay parades.

How can somebody from a big city do a commercial about New Brunswick? If they ever visit here all they would see is the trees from the TCH. Maybe they stopped for gas one day as an Acadian festival was going on in Buctouche and started shooting pictires. Anyways the real NB is a bunch of trees seperated by 4 lanes of traffic.

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Cautiouslizard wrote:

Being french I'll never understand. Damn it, I walk around and I see it all over. I can say the same to you, Being english you'll never understand and see the full picture.

I'm not the one that decided to whine about this commercial. I see plenty of NB commercials that have no french, and no acadian reference to it. Do you see me going on here and start a big thing about it. Most people on here are trying to make you see that IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL and MOVE ON. I swear to god you are the english version of notme.

I asked you why does it bother you soooo much. What has it cause you in your life to make you feel this way. I don't feel bad when I see only english commercials (I can't even get a french channel on my TV that is from NB so count yourself lucky you get to have your english tv here in NB)

You do have a problem with other cultures other than your own, if not you wouldn't be taking small things like this and blow them out of proportion.

Did you end up losing finacially from this commercial, did your kids start asking you weird sex questions, drug questions etc... then the commercial itself has no bad effect on your daily living. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM again?

I don't owe you any explanation of why this bothers me. It does. That's my right. The same as it's your right to complain about something should you feel the desire. You think it's no big deal, I think it is. Just because it's not an issue to you, doesn't mean it can't be an issue to someone else. Just because you choose not to exercise your right to "whine" about something, that's not my problem.

Because my opinion differs from yours, you assume I have a problem with other cultures? I don't! You're blinded so much by your dislike for me that you are ignorant enough to assume you know me personnally, because of my opinion.

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Actually I don't dislike you what-so-ever. I dislike your choice of threads. You always have threads that is pertaining to the french language, culture etc...

You make yourself seem to be that way, not me. I don't start threads that might be offensive to others regarding their language and culture. I have more regards in others feelings and I accept everyone so I see no need to complain about the english language this and that. I don't need to complain about the natives, I don't complain about black people nor do I complain about the asians that are here or wherever they are. They are human and have their ways, just like I have mine, which is totally acceptable. You accept nothing if it's not what you want. A true "notme" attitude.

I start threads either jokes, questions, news, info etc... I have respect for others that live in my province, in my country, in my world, period. I don't need to whine about a stupid small flag that seems offensive cause they didn't have the flag I wanted. I'm suprised you haven't complained about the colors of our flag.

I see that the world has sooo many more issues than stupid flags that are in commercials that last only a few seconds.

Your intitled of your opinion, but I am also and if I think you are over-reacting over stupid little things that will not affect your life in any way, I have the right to express so (which by now most should know I WILL express so lol). If you don't like, well think before you post then.

I don't have anything against you, but the way you make yourself out to be, you have something against everything I stand for, where I came from and my history. 

Other than these threads you have started, have I ever expressed to you that I dislike you in any other way other than who I am as a Bilingual, Acadian NBer? 

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Be careful what you write cause you can say boo and they will jump down your throat.

Overall, I think more is being made of the ad than was intended.  All we have to ask ourselves is "Does it serve the purpose of drawing tourists to New Brunswick?", because that is all that counts and is the whole purpose of the ad.

Cautiouslizard wrote:

Being french I'll never understand. Damn it, I walk around and I see it all over. I can say the same to you, Being english you'll never understand and see the full picture.

I'm not the one that decided to whine about this commercial. I see plenty of NB commercials that have no french, and no acadian reference to it. Do you see me going on here and start a big thing about it. Most people on here are trying to make you see that IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL and MOVE ON. I swear to god you are the english version of notme.

I asked you why does it bother you soooo much. What has it cause you in your life to make you feel this way. I don't feel bad when I see only english commercials (I can't even get a french channel on my TV that is from NB so count yourself lucky you get to have your english tv here in NB)

You do have a problem with other cultures other than your own, if not you wouldn't be taking small things like this and blow them out of proportion.

Did you end up losing finacially from this commercial, did your kids start asking you weird sex questions, drug questions etc... then the commercial itself has no bad effect on your daily living. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM again?

Okay now see I need to be an "equal oppurtunity "whoa-er" so

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Neither side is (nor do I truly believe either side can) see the whole picture. Humans simply aren't wired to. We have not evolved (there now I can get the creationists/intelligent design folks in on this too) far enough away from our "reptillian" brain.

Proud Anglophone (and by default the "english" in NB) has every right to be upset. There is a long list of things that could be construed as the francophone and members of Acadie getting what is percieved to be preferential treatment. Doesn't matter a lick to anyone if it is in the form of a tourism commercial paid for by the government or hiring practices (it's easier to qualify as bilingual if you are french) and benefits (higher wages, more demand, better shifts) put in place by private companies.

If I may the "thinking" boils down to "How dare they! We won the war and expelled them now they have an easier time of it than us and every time we make a concession they want more they have their own hospital, their own university (that was supposed to be billingual thats how they raised funds for it)", they are taking our jobs, and making our life harder, now they want the whole province"

It certainly doesn't help matters that CL is far and away the most reasonable francophone I have had the pleasure of interacting with. There are some truly horrendous ones out there that won't give an inch but want to take miles.

CautiousLizard (and by default "Acadie" and Francophonie in NB) Also has every right to feel put upon and marginalized. For all the talk of "acceptance" and "equality" in the province it's really only Moncton and Dieppe where there is any kind of equal distribution. There are some pockets of French in other parts of the province but those are remote and have little access to amenities like ohhh hospitals. By and large if you want services or even to socialize in NB (which says it is billingual) you need to move to Moncton and Dieppe to work, get leered at and made fun of if you don't speak at least reasonable english, and be seen as an interloper who wants to take from the english and make their lives difficult.

All that having been said I have not in the past good many years seen a tourism Ad for NB that didn't focus at least partly if not mostly on Acadie with "la pays de la sagouine" Which as I recall from the book in high school is about an older french "washer woman" talking about gossip and for lack of better terminology "kissing and telling"

Frig sakes it's annoying and not at all a good sign when **I** am a voice of reason.

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Does Zymry, the murderer of his master have peace ? (Jezebel 2 kings 9:31)
Not yet. You wanna help with that ? (me, 24:7)
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We fell below all the "how to converts" wanted to give this a little more time before people ignored it 8)

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Does Zymry, the murderer of his master have peace ? (Jezebel 2 kings 9:31)
Not yet. You wanna help with that ? (me, 24:7)
faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen
I hate people that flaunt the very rules they hide behind

Very well said Zymry.

I think that is partially the problem here. CL happens to be a French person who, as I said before may be unfairly categorized. Although she has a strong opinion opposing mine, she does not have the "I want to own this province" or "you owe me for 1755" or the "even though I speak English, I demand you serve me in French" attitude I find prevalant in many other French people. You know, the Mario Charlebois' of the province.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I do believe that those French people (the ones that won't give an inch but will takes miles) would like nothing more than to take over every aspect of this province. Those are the ones I believe are the cause of the problems here in New Brunswick. I don't think they get together every Wednesday night to discuss strategy, but do think they have a hidden agenda. I think this will only get worse for the English and better for the French.

That being said, I also realize there are the same type of English people around. The ones that would love nothing more than to organize another expulsion. That's not me. Not "notme" but, not me.

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Lord Denning wrote:

Overall, I think more is being made of the ad than was intended.  All we have to ask ourselves is "Does it serve the purpose of drawing tourists to New Brunswick?", because that is all that counts and is the whole purpose of the ad.

If the "tourist" you want to draw is French Acadian, sure. I don't see why it would entice others to visit. Sure the pictures are nice, but anybody else watching it wouldn't understand a thing.

If it is intended to draw tourists from elsewhere, why is it even airing locally?

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Cautiouslizard wrote:

....have I ever expressed to you that I dislike you in any other way other than who I am as a Bilingual, Acadian NBer? 

I think the term a$$hole is a term of dislike.

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zymry wrote:

We fell below all the "how to converts" wanted to give this a little more time before people ignored it 8)

Do you know "how to convert" a dishwasher into a snowblower?

 

Give her a shovel.

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proud anglophone wrote:

Cautiouslizard wrote:

....have I ever expressed to you that I dislike you in any other way other than who I am as a Bilingual, Acadian NBer? 

I think the term a$$hole is a term of dislike.

But why did I call you a a$$hole? Cause you were being very insulting to my heritage and did not have any regards to anyone's feelings towards being accepted int his province. What I meant by that question was,

Did I ever express to you, any dislike of you other than in the bilingual thread and this one?

If you don't isult me, my family, my heritage, I have no ill feeling towards you. I have ill feelings when you try to make me feel like I shouldn't be here or ask for anything in my language. The problem you haev with bilingualisim has nothing to do with me or tom dick or harry. It's with the Gov so why do you feel the need to always make sure we are aware you have a problem with us being in your province. I know that's not how you intend to make it sound but that is how it comes out. Sorry maybe you should re-think before post cause your not on a Gov forum and we cannot change things for you but we can defenatly be insulted by your opinion regarding us having to share the province with you.

 

"Other than these threads you have started, have I ever expressed to you that I dislike you in any other way other than who I am as a Bilingual, Acadian NBer? "
This was my actual question. Please next time put the full phrase.

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Be careful what you write cause you can say boo and they will jump down your throat.

CL there is a world of difference between being very vocally (or I guess on a forum textually) opposed to someone's viewpoints and calling them an A$$hole.

Notme and I for example have VERY WIDELY differing views on government spending, government handouts, and homosexuality. Each and every time He brings one of those subjects up I have no issue standing opposed and saying I think his VIEWS and IDEAS are shortsighted and/or wrong and/or whatever else I can dredge up to hurl at his project dujour, however except in cases where factually his statements said he was "something" I have never called him a name.

Back on topic (kinda) I went to le pays de la sagouine's website and noticed two things 1) the note that "All Plays are preformed in french" and 2) down at the bottom of the page.. sponsorship logos from the Government of Canada and the Province of New Brunswick. The site made me sad it looks like lots of fun that I will never get to enjoy.

P.A. Before you get your knickers in a knot about le pays de la sagouine, I have 2 words for YA .. Kings Landing.

I suspect the reason we don't see more government funding of more comparable English projects, events, and artists is because they simply don't exist, and the english aren't getting off their butts and creating them. That we do not so is NOT the fault of L'Acadie or Les Francophonie, well excpet for the fact that like an old dog that has been kicked alot and otherwise neglected because we have to accept the new puppy we learned that trying didn't accomplish alot. Thats the owners fault though not the new puppy's.

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Does Zymry, the murderer of his master have peace ? (Jezebel 2 kings 9:31)
Not yet. You wanna help with that ? (me, 24:7)
faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen
I hate people that flaunt the very rules they hide behind

If you would be homosexual, would you have been clam with notme? I would assume not cause he was personnally attacking you (if you wuold be homosexual)

That is what PA has done to the french community. I don't care if he was insulted by my comment, I was flabergasted by reading what he had wrote in the first thred. He clearly insulted us and clearly stated that we had no right to push our language in this province. If he didn't like being called a a$$hole, then he should think twice before insulting someone else heritage and language. In my mind, it was tit for tat. I called him a a$$hole cause he was being one. If he don't want to be called a a$$hole, don't be one, simple as that. I would not have called him that for any other reason. I didn't start that thread he did, he was asking for and got it. To bad. I don't feel bad for it and I will do it again if anyone on here thinks it's their rights to make another member feel the way he was making me feel at the time due to my language and now heritage.  

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Cautiouslizard wrote:

If you would be homosexual, would you have been clam with notme? I would assume not cause he was personnally attacking you (if you wuold be homosexual)

That is what PA has done to the french community. I don't care if he was insulted by my comment, I was flabergasted by reading what he had wrote in the first thred. He clearly insulted us and clearly stated that we had no right to push our language in this province. If he didn't like being called a a$$hole, then he should think twice before insulting someone else heritage and language. In my mind, it was tit for tat. I called him a a$$hole cause he was being one. If he don't want to be called a a$$hole, don't be one, simple as that. I would not have called him that for any other reason. I didn't start that thread he did, he was asking for and got it. To bad. I don't feel bad for it and I will do it again if anyone on here thinks it's their rights to make another member feel the way he was making me feel at the time due to my language and now heritage.  

I have never made a personal attack on anyone on this forum. I have never, in any post, told you, or any other French person, that they do not belong here, period!  If you "feel" that way because of my comments, then that's not my problem. It is my right to voice my opinion. If you take that as a personal attack, then that's your problem. You on the other hand, have made personal attacks, and have very clearly stated that I do not belong here, yet I've never called you a b*tch.

 

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Cautiouslizard wrote:

If you would be homosexual, would you have been clam with notme? I would assume not cause he was personnally attacking you (if you wuold be homosexual)

That is what PA has done to the french community. I don't care if he was insulted by my comment, I was flabergasted by reading what he had wrote in the first thred. He clearly insulted us and clearly stated that we had no right to push our language in this province. If he didn't like being called a a$$hole, then he should think twice before insulting someone else heritage and language. In my mind, it was tit for tat. I called him a a$$hole cause he was being one. If he don't want to be called a a$$hole, don't be one, simple as that. I would not have called him that for any other reason. I didn't start that thread he did, he was asking for and got it. To bad. I don't feel bad for it and I will do it again if anyone on here thinks it's their rights to make another member feel the way he was making me feel at the time due to my language and now heritage.  

I can state unequivoacably yes I would have been that calm with notme because I was that calm with notme. Though I'm not sure many people would categorize my demeanor with notme as calm.

You may feel he is insulting your heritage and language, there exists however a difference between saying someone's ideas and opinions are stupid, assinine and assholish and saying that the person is those things.

I called Notme a bigot and a hypocrit because he fit the definition found in the dictionary for those words while specifically claiming he wasn't being one and using those words to call down other people.I don't believe you can find a definition for "***" in the dictionary as it pertains to people.

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Does Zymry, the murderer of his master have peace ? (Jezebel 2 kings 9:31)
Not yet. You wanna help with that ? (me, 24:7)
faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen
I hate people that flaunt the very rules they hide behind