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Canada should open its borders to immigrants from a few select countries,

Last post 09-24-2007, 7:42 PM by Paladin. 97 replies.
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  •  07-10-2007, 5:36 PM

    Re: Canada should open its borders to immigrants from a few select countries,

    aniketn wrote:
    I really have no idea why you feel that the government feeds the immigrants and that all immigrants live on welfare in Canada. Infact its the other way round, the govt is earning money because of immigration! Those international who come to Canada and live on welfare are "Refugees" from African and other third world countries. Immigrants, are infact the workforce of Canada and are making a serious contribution to the Canadian economy. Let me give u an example. Lets compare 2 places in Canada, Toronto and Moncton. Which place has a better economy and more jobs? And why? 80% of the workforce in Toronto is Immigrant mainly from Asian countries. Other places like Calgary and Edmunton are fast catching up where as New Brunswick is not showing too many signs of growth despite of being located very favourably! I understand ur concerns of people trying to rip off the canadian govt but think of professionally qualified immigrants as an asset to the country and not a liability!
    The way the world economy runs today, for any country/region that doesnt accept the idea of globalization and softening international boundries is not gonna do to well! Globalization is so powerful that even the mighty communist state of the Soviet Union had to break down and accept the idea! One way in which New Brunswick can reach a stage where it can compete with other provinces out West is more investment and one of the ways to encourage investment  is Immigration!
    Peace!




    i guess you do not live near housing where the government put the socall immigrants   because you would see that none of them want to work because they are getting the best from our government and most churches     ..........and our own are fighting to survives

    yes theire might be some that do come here to work  but they are rare most of them are coming to take all the benefits that we can give them and live on our taxes dollars ..gee some even have sponsored trips back home to visit their relatives  at our expenses

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  •  07-14-2007, 9:00 PM

    Re: Canada should open its borders to immigrants from a few select countries,

    Hey,
    I have lived in Toronto for a few months and seen immigrants slog their asses off ! They work in factories, do labor, work on construction, drive trucks, You name it! And they pay taxes too! Ur right, what attracts immigrants here are the benifits that Canada has to offer. Esp free health care. But look at it this way..Don't good pay and perks attract you to any job? But that doesn't mean you don't  do no work and take all benifits, does it? There's no way an immigrant can survive here unless he works! The ppl ur refering to that are fed by the govt are refugees. And the camps that they live in are refugee camps. It's quite deplorable that such people are able to suck the country's economy. And this is an unnecessary humanitarian show that the Canadian govt puts...and this includes non working Canadians living on govt welfare and also single moms. Coming back to immigration, I would encourage u to check one of the forms for immigration on the Immigration website. Its a point based system.  Maximum points are awarded to Education, Previous job experience, and a job offer in a Canadian firm. The govt will only offer immigration to those candidates that meet the minimum criteria for education, work experience and the candidates ability to work in a Canadian environment and Age. Also the candidate seeking immigration has to show minimum funds to prove that he has money to live in Canada. So the govt is very selective about which candidates get immigration. yeah but what ur saying is true unfortunately, refugees and the so called "threatened" people can produce false documentation to gain entry in to canada never to go back and keep sucking on the economy as long as they are here. The govt needs to tighten the ropes on these ppl...however "immigration" as such and import of talent from other countries has always helped canada, and will continue to do so!

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  •  07-15-2007, 8:40 AM

    Re: Canada should open its borders to immigrants from a few select countries,

    i guess you have not been in the same Ontario i did  because all we see are slum created by the immigrants living in these ghettos and producing only crimes ,crack and babies ......all of them on welfares

    stupidity governs the world
  •  07-21-2007, 10:11 AM

    Re: Canada should open its borders to immigrants from a few select countries,

    I understand what you are saying. But tell me which city in every country doesn't has that problem. But still Ontario is prosperous and it is also called the economic engine of Canada. You just think about what you see on the street when you visit places....the truth is the workforce and the people including the immigrants are working their ass off at that time. There is no turning back from saying that immigration has helped in a great way to the contribution on Canadian economy. You can compare it right away looking at the prosperity of provinces like Ontario and Calgary and BC compared to the maritimes where the number of immigrants are the lowest in whole of Canada. And the governement is not dumb enough to let anybody have the benefits of Canada. You have no idea how much immigrants are assessed by the government to stay in Canada and to get any benefits.
  •  07-21-2007, 10:54 AM

    My heart bleeds for some of them...

    Yes, immigrant add so much to CANADA..

    We can learn a lot fro them..

    My heart bleeds for some of them...

    For instance....

    The Maritimes needs more like these....NOT

     

    Jail time delays Mohamadou Diouf’s deportation
    Judge sentences illegal immigrant to two more months


    By TERA CAMUS Cape Breton Bureau
    http://thechronicleherald.ca/NovaScotia/848647.html 
     

    SYDNEY — An illegal immigrant has been sentenced to another two months in jail for scamming two local banks out of $11,000 in May.

    Mohamadou Diouf, 22, who remains under a deportation order issued last year, will have to wait until September before he’s sent back home to Dakar, Senegal, after he pleaded guilty Thursday to using fake identification and phoney cheques to open two bank accounts and then withdrawing cash from ATMs.

    The withdrawals totalled more than $11,000 from a Royal Bank in New Waterford and a Scotiabank in Sydney. Mr. Diouf used fake identification from Alberta to open the accounts, then deposited cheques of less than $10,000 from phoney insurance companies into each account. He then quickly began withdrawing cash from bank machines.

    In early May, Judge David Ryan sentenced Mr. Diouf to four months in jail for a similar crime involving the TD Bank in Sydney and nearly $10,000 in withdrawals and fake cheque deposits.

    At the time, Judge Ryan rejected a plea agreement of one day in jail as court officials had suggested, given the outstanding warrant for Mr. Diouf’s deportation.

    Standing before Judge Ryan again this week, Mr. Diouf again pleaded for his freedom from Canada.

    "Last time, you said you wanted to teach me a lesson and I think I have learned my lesson in jail," the confident, well-spoken 22-year-old told the court.

    "I’m having a hard time in jail and I haven’t talked to my family or anyone, I have no one here. I’m never going to come back to Canada . . . so you can help me, let me go. I have to build my life again and if you put me back in jail, it’s just too hard. I want to be in university and it begins in August in my country and if I miss it, I’ll lose a whole year."

    He continued, telling the judge: "I know I did bad things, but I did my time. . . . I think I deserve another chance because you didn’t give me a chance the last time I was here."

    Judge Ryan accepted Crown attorney John MacDonald’s recommendation and added two months to Mr. Diouf’s current sentence, which was set to expire on Tuesday. Mr. MacDonald said immigration officials are waiting for a response from Senegal to their request for proper deportation papers.

    "This wasn’t a spur of the moment thing," Judge Ryan told Mr. Diouf. "You deposited those cheques . . . knowing full well that cheques less than $10,000 won’t cause bank officials to be on the alert.

    "You abused the hospitality of this country and committed serious criminal offences."

    Defence lawyer Dave Campbell unsuccessfully argued that the original four-month sentence was good enough for all the crimes.

    "I don’t believe our jail should be used as a holding cell for immigration," Mr. Campbell said.

    Mr. Diouf, whom Judge Ryan described as a "professional scam artist," arrived in Canada last year to attend university in Quebec and violated the terms of his student visa.

    During a police search of his Sydney apartment in May, money orders worth more than $8,500 were found. Judge Ryan ordered that money to be forfeited to the Crown and paid to the two banks to offset most of the $11,000 stolen in the fraud.

    ’I have to build my life again and if you put me back in jail, it’s just too hard.’

     

     


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  •  07-21-2007, 12:05 PM

    Re: My heart bleeds for some of them...

    it is soo sad that you guys generalize a whole group just because of some immigrants who are total dorks.. it is a pity
  •  07-21-2007, 12:08 PM

    Re: My heart bleeds for some of them...

    like any other class of people there are the good and then there are the bad ones we just can't group the all into one category
  •  07-21-2007, 1:24 PM

    Andrew , Welcome to the Forum

    andrew wrote:
    it is soo sad that you guys generalize a whole group just because of some immigrants who are total dorks.. it is a pity

     

     

     

    Generalize??? Me??? NEVER.

    Now Profiling is a different matter altogether.

    I never prejudge nor am I prejudiced. My comments and opinions are based on " Solid ", research , analysist and a conservative outlook on life.

    Dorks I can live with.

    Murders, rapists, child molester, drug dealers, terrorists, religious radicals, and any other of the Heinz 59 variety of crooks or thieves, no.     


    By the way, my parents were Immigrants. Both hard workers and with a very strong " work ethic " .


    Welcome to the Forum  Andrew..

    Enjoy


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  •  07-21-2007, 1:26 PM

    Re: My heart bleeds for some of them...

    yes but there is more bad than good when it comes to immigrants ....

    i hate to say that but it is true  but my hat off to the good immigrants

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  •  07-21-2007, 2:20 PM

    Re: My heart bleeds for some of them...

    Paladin wrote:

    "I’m having a hard time in jail and I haven’t talked to my family or anyone, I have no one here. I’m never going to come back to Canada . . . so you can help me, let me go. I have to build my life again and if you put me back in jail, it’s just too hard. I want to be in university and it begins in August in my country and if I miss it, I’ll lose a whole year."

    To quote Dave Grusin and M. Ames:

    Music [8]Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time, Music [8]
        Yeah, don't do it.


    Remember yesterday, respect tomorrow, live for today.
  •  07-23-2007, 12:00 AM

    Re: Canada should open its borders to immigrants from a few select countries,

    Man Crime Crack and babies are in ALL places on the earth that are inhabited.  But if u are talking bout immigrants induldging in drug dealing, remember 1 thing. The dealer's there because there's a market. Like smoking is responsible for over 60% deaths in North America but yet no one's quitting. Even after the federal govt having hiked the prices of cigarettes many fold, puting warning stickers on all packets,  the consumption hasn't stopped. So who's to blame? The vendor at Needs?
    If an immigrant is involving in the bad stuff, the Police is there to deal with it. If u find any immigrant doing ***, just call 911 and turn him in to the cops.But lets not be too judgemental. I think as a Canadian one should think of what's good for Canada. Hatred for other cultures/communities is not symbolic of love for one's country. Love for the country is reflected by what one one can do for her. Its depressing that after they are done with school no one  wants to live here and move out west.We must give Moncton a chance to grow, to become big. And to grow more u need lots more people man...!  If u hate immigrants too much then do  this : Don't buy a Honda. Don't buy a Suzuki, Don't buy stuff that's labelled "Made in Indonesia" or "Made in China". And don't eat at Lily's or Taj Mahal. Coz all these businesses are being run by immigrants!

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  •  07-23-2007, 10:48 AM

    Re: Canada should open its borders to immigrants from a few select countries,

    Hatred for other cultures/communities is not symbolic of love for one's country. Love for the country is reflected by what one one can do for her.

     it not hatred it survival if we let the other cultures infiltrate the crimes and the laziness to our country   our countryman will die of starvation from paying taxes to a support those lazy opportunist

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  •  07-23-2007, 5:15 PM

    Re: Canada should open its borders to immigrants from a few select countries,

    now i know why our troops are overseas to die and give so the immigrants have room to move in and take over our country  .......... THANK YOU CANADA FOR NOTTING

    THANK YOU CANADA FOR NOTTING
  •  07-23-2007, 7:45 PM

    The 'Jobs Americans (& Canadians) Won't Do' Myth

    The 'Jobs Americans (& Canadians) Won't Do' Myth

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/13/140946.shtml

    Jon E. Dougherty

    While President Bush says he is considering another amnesty – I’m sorry; "guest-worker program" – for the nearly 13 million illegal aliens living and working in the United States, he also says the program won't be a reward for violating U.S. immigration and alien employment laws.

    It's hard to understand how illegal aliens would not consider such a program a reward, but maybe the president and the accompanying bipartisan open borders chorus of lawmakers in favor of this catastrophe in the making were really talking about American workers instead, because another amnesty sure won't be a reward for them.

    The big lie in this jobs-for-illegals debate is the contention Congress must approve such a program to ensure all the jobs Americans won't do still get done. As I document in my new book, "Illegals: The Imminent Threat Posed by Our Unsecured U.S.-Mexico Border," such jobs exist, but only because the open borders crowd has created them. If we open the door to more illegal workers, wages will only decrease further. I'll explain.

    Over time, the massive influx of poor, uneducated laborers from south of the border has already worked to depress American wages, especially in areas where illegal immigration is the heaviest.

    While researching "Illegals," several people told me they used to do the "jobs Americans won't do" until local employers figured out they could get illegal aliens to work for less than half the same amount. As an example, a young landscaper in Sierra Vista, Ariz., who used to make $15 an hour 10 years ago, can't get a similar job now for more than $8 an hour. Same heat. Same difficult working conditions. Same necessary for landscapers. But with the depressed wage, Americans – who live in a country where the cost of living is miles above that of Mexico's – can't afford to take such jobs.

    It's not that he and other Americans don't want to do landscaping anymore; it's just that in heavily trafficked illegal alien environments, it doesn't pay well enough anymore.

    And that's how many "jobs Americans won't do" were created. The current administration's "guest worker" program will create more such jobs, because what employer in his or her right mind would not want to lower their labor costs? Doing so would raise profits – at least in theory – without having to do anything else.

    Consider a key element of the plan offered by the administration. "Willing" illegal immigrant "employees" would be matched up with "willing" U.S. employers. Jobs would be "posted" online, and if an American citizen did not fill the job within a specified time limit, a "willing" illegal immigrant would be eligible to take it.

    Bush's plan doesn't offer citizenship, just legal status. The Democrats' plan goes much further in that it waves the prize of citizenship to illegal immigrants after a specified time period of gainful employment.

    Again, what will employers likely do? They'll post the jobs, sure – but at far less than prevailing U.S. wages? What would stop them?

    So far, there are no protections built into either the Bush plan or the Democrats' alternative that prevents employers from setting a below-average wage and, based on Republicans' corporate relationships and Democrats labor connections, neither party appears willing to tell employers what they must pay (minimum wage considerations aside).

    Politically, the Democrats stand to lose the most. Labor unions are already upset with the job-killing NAFTA and GATT agreements; they will never support a labor-related plan that allows workers to be hired at far-below prevailing wage.

    But overall, American workers are going to be hurt, regardless of their political affiliation. As the wage-depressing effect of this plan seeps into more and more industries, fewer Americans will have a sporting chance against an imported laborer who says he'll work for one-third the going wage.

    The government won't make out like bandits either. Millions of lower-wage American workers, after two rounds of Bush tax cuts, were removed from any federal tax obligation whatsoever. Imported "guest workers" earning the same or less won't have to pay, either. Some windfall.

    History is also not on the side of the open borders crowd. Consider the last amnesty approved by the Reagan administration in 1986; it didn't resolve the illegal immigration problem. In fact, experienced border agents told me, it only encouraged more illegal immigration.

    The 1986 law "regularized" about 3 million illegals; there are at least three times that amount living in the U.S. today. How did the 1986 law help, and what should Americans expect any different results this time around?

    If this is what the open borders crowd means by illegals doing jobs Americans don't want, they're right. American workers want jobs that can earn them a decent living in this country. Minimum wage is a fortune south of the border, but it doesn't go far here.

    "President Bush and Congress must make a choice," Dan Stein, executive director of FAIR writes. "Are they going to serve the interests of illegal immigrants and a small number of employers seeking cheap labor at the expense of the American public, or are they going to protect the interests of workers, taxpayers and homeowners? They must choose one or the other."

    The choice seems clear to me.

     

     

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  •  07-23-2007, 8:07 PM

    Re: The 'Jobs Americans (& Canadians) Won't Do' Myth

    President Bush and Congress must make a choice," Dan Stein, executive director of FAIR writes. "Are they going to serve the interests of illegal immigrants and a small number of employers seeking cheap labor at the expense of the American public, or are they going to protect the interests of workers, taxpayers and homeowners? They must choose one or the other."

    The choice seems clear to me.





     like our Canadian government  they will choose the immigrants  just to bring the wages down and keep us as slave


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