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Aren't ya glad ya stopped by..lol...Don't mean to laugh...but this site hasn't been this lively in months...Kinda glad you dropped in and hope ya hang around,.,Sorry though that it was at your kids and your cats expense..

Maybe its been so long scince we all debated here and maybe we are a bit rusty.

I am not bashing you Wardsha and I don't believe that the others intentiallty are. Like  I wrote before, you may have come on a bit to strong at first in your post. You Post is not just one of our regular debates. It is a very serious one indead.

Maybe we all need to stand back a bit and take some deep breathes.

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hmmmm Sass...I am pretty sure I'd have more fun drilling holes in my dead and letting hungry gerbils go in an play...I am sure of it.  Go ahead laugh...it's all absurd to me.  Because I cared I made everyone angry...who would have thought.

I've calmed down now...I was really ticked at first...Oh man...I just can't believe expressing my concern over OTHER's pets is such an issue. I can't believe not trusting an organization that gave me and my friend the run around....is such a hard thing to comprehend. Right now I feel like that emoticon I posted as the very first character in my message....

 

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"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. Eleanor Roosevelt"

"No one loves you unconditionally as your beloved pet." ~~I have nothing but sympathy for those that can't relate.

Yes it is serious Paladin...that is why I posted it out of concern...That was all....not for the drama and all the tantrums...throwing my kids in it...geeez.  I just don't understand, thanks for letting me know your not playing the lets freak out at the newbie...cause damn it I hate this game.

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"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. Eleanor Roosevelt"

"No one loves you unconditionally as your beloved pet." ~~I have nothing but sympathy for those that can't relate.

Wardsha wrote:

Cautiouslizard ....where exactly did I say they weren't busy or weren't in high demand...I am not sure what you are reading but it's not my posts...please point that out to me. ...Didn't I agree it was my mistake, that my cat got out.  If someone's kid is stolen would you rub it in their face too, or would you help them find them?  To me my pets are like my kids...there is know difference except they have fur.  My kids aren't stupid...they new what they did...should I yell at my child make them feel like dirt for letting my cat out, you obviously aren't a parent...and have never been around kids...he let the cat out, he knew it was wrong..his heart was crushed...when the cat didn't come home he kicked himself around enough...he cried his sister cried (her cat)...So should I have made him feel worse???? What if the cat had of died...I would have crushed my son.  we went out side looking AS SOON AS IT HAPPENED...I am a jogger...you can't catch a cat...my cat was not let out and we sat here saying oh well. MY CAT IS AN INDOOR CAT!!!!!!!!!!!  You are not a pet owner either obviously...or you are darn near perfect. I did not say they had to remember every cat...can you read my posts before answering or putting your two cents in just to attack???   I said all they had to say on the phone IT"S BEST TO COME IN AND LOOK YOURSELF...that is it?  How am I suppose to know that they don't know when they pretend they know? Do you not know how absurd that sounds?

They could post my name and say I am a irresponsible pet owner...EVERYONE I KNOW WOULD LAUGH!!!!!  I am the go to person...when they found an unwanted pet.  I have taken in abused, neglected, and HURT ANIMALS.  I have taken in animals on their death bed to love and grieve when they die.  I have given up alot of goals and material things to keep all the anmals I have.  I have worked two jobs to support them. I do not take donations...it's not a job...it's my FAMILY.  Just last month someone I barely know...their dog attacked their cat...shacked it in his mouth...they didn't have any money to take the cat to the vet...I GAVE THEM THE MONEY.  I am basically a stranger...but I could not let that cat suffer.  It didn't make it...but I tried. I have more pets then a farm...and all mine are vacinated, fixed, vet checked and loved....so the flyers would be wrong.  I know all my pets names and I can tell you what room they are in and what their favorite things to play and do.  They are loved and loved well So don't try to make me sound like I am a bad pet owner...just because you want to join in with your friends to play bash the animal lover game.

Oh excuse me for putting my 2 cents in. Yes I have a kid and yes I had many cats (8 at one point in time). I understand accidents happens but you are the one that posted the title. Not me. I would never try to harm the rep of the SPCA as the public needs them and more important, the animals needs them. I never told you to scool your kids (I will say the same thing you said " didn't you read my post") I never said you were a bad pet owner. What I stated is, would it be fair if that was done to you. I know you mean no harm to animals but they don't either.

You didn't mention nothing about them being busy. You made them sound like they have nothing to do except for standing waiting for their paycheck. Are you really serious when you thought calling would help? I mean come on, you are not aware of how many cats they have there? If that's the case, well your as much at fault as the people you talked to on the phone. Did they really have to tell you to go there and look? 

Was your cat hurt by them, unfeed for the time it was there etc... I would think you would have appreciated the fact that you cat was somewhere safe. But no, you decide to claim they don't do their jobs and that they are only there for the little tiny paycheck. If the SPCA wouldn't be here, your cat would be god knows where by  now. I would count my lucky stars, if I were you, that they were there to take care of your cat.

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Just waiting till it's all over.

If anyone calls and they tell you they will look...you believe they will

If you call and they say no we did not pick up cats in that area...you believe them

If you call and they say no we have no cat like that...you believe them.

Now on to my point...I dont' know how many cats they have, do you? If so give me the exact figure?  I assumed they had some sort of database or records on animals picked up and at the shelter.  I also assumed when you called to give information about your cat location, color markings etc...that they would check any cats coming in to the phone calls recieved.  I was unaware that they didn't do this....I did not know that when they said they would look and call me back that they didn't actually look....I DO NOW, but I didn't when they called...NOBODY ELSE KNOWS UNLESS THEY TELL YOU-- All that had to be said on the phone is I am sorry we are really busy, please come in and look for yourself...Stupid me...when they said they'd look if any cats came from my are I BELIEVED THEM.  So I am really glad that you read minds and have no trust in people...but I thought when they said no their is no cat from that area here...and no their is no cat that matched that description here -- that they actually looked..I believed them and trusted them...sorry but I guess my IQ isn't that high as yours. 

Actually if you read my post...you would know that it was not my cat at the SPCA...and yes her cat has Kennel cough and an infection.  She took it in last night which cost her 125 dollars...and because this is contagious to other animals....she may end up having to treat all her cats.  When she told the Vet what happened...he shock his head...and was very upset with the situation. So you can't tell me the SPCA is perfect and doesn't need to make changes.  I just wanted everyone aware...I am glad for you and your 8 cats (at one time) that never escape...yeah for you...two toots for you....but in my house letting in and out my dogs..IT HAPPENS...so don't blame me for the SPCA mistakes.  I admitted mine, my cat got out...that is my fault...what isn't my fault is believing the people on the phone....they didn't so much as offer an apology for making their error....just oh well. 

The manager didn't even care when called to explain all this.  So should I have sat back and not said anything.  I will never do that....not in a million years.  The thought of someone beloved pet being euthanized DISGUSTS ME.  Can you picture a little old lady at home that lost her cat?  No car, alone....would that little old lady have faith when she called gave them all information...they say they will look and call back if any cats from that area or look like that come in. that they would do everything they could to reunite her?....Before this I would have had no doubts...or should she take a cab on her pension...and not believe the person on the phone when they say they will call if any cats fitting that description come in. I think most people in their right mind would take their word for it....why shouldn't they they are the SPCA, that is what they do.

It's really hard to have an adult conversation when everyone is in denial about an organization that they want to believe is perfect.  If anyone on here ever has to gets a transfusion...I am so glad the thought of contaminated blood wont scare you.  But I only the other hand bank my own because no matter how much good a company has, does or tries...their are errors and mistakes.  And they need to be brought to the attention of people so they can be changed and corrected.  IF everyone talks about how perfect the SPCA is and how great and wonderful it is...without seeing the issues...I really feel sorry for those poor animal.  I am not blind...

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"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. Eleanor Roosevelt"

"No one loves you unconditionally as your beloved pet." ~~I have nothing but sympathy for those that can't relate.

No one is saying they are perfect. But they are there for the stray animals. They do their best to help the animals. I get that you wanted them to be aware of their flaws, but don't condem them for helping. Yes mistakes happens as you are well aware of. You could have mentioned to everyone the mistake that happened, but don't you think there was a better way to put it. More like "The SPCA made a mistake", something way less harsh than "Don't trust the Moncton SPCA"

You did make them sound like they are only there for their small paycheck and do nothing else.

So because her cat got sick, it's the SPCA's fault? Your friend wasn't thankful that her cat was at the SPCA? She didn't appreciate that her cat was feed?

Up until now, I have not seen anywhere that your friend was appreciative of the SPCA for having her cat at all.

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I could understand your anger for my post...if I made up a bunch of crap and bashed them saying they harm animals.  I never said they abused animals. All I told was the truth and what happened in my situation.  Maybe I shouldn't have posted that as a title...but I still believe dont trust them when you call.  Would everyone be taking this a whole lot more seriously if her cat had of been put down.  She called numerous times.  She did go in, with a picture....they said no it is not here.  THEY DID NOT OFFER TO LET HER SEE THE CATS.  I on the other hand when I went in asked to look...it wasn't till then that she went back in and looked....if after her trying to find her cat for 4 days...if it had of been put down...would you see the huge problem this could be?  I never said thye do nothing else...but collect a check...not once.  I said it should not be thought of as a job...they should be doing it for their love of animals.  Those animals should be the #1 priority.  I know if I got a call...no matter how many calls...I would be checking each cage...I would do my best to have records of any cat that are their...I would not miss it. The money would be irrelevant, something like that is not a job, it's a choice.  If you chose to work for little money because you care for those animals...that is your choice.  Anything possible should be done to reunite any animal that goes in their with it's owner.  I am not sure why their is not records or database...so they can compare records and phone calls...but obviously things aren't being done like they should be...or the cat would have been reunited with the owner...within at least a day or two of the phone calls.  To me there is no exuse.  I never said anyone had to be perfect.  But they should admit the mistakes so they can improve them.  If they stay in denial and dont take complaints seriously or at least pretend to care when pet owners want improvements...nothing will ever be done.  The way I see it...nothing will come out of these...because they had little regards about our concerns.  Do you think if I got a call at work, explaining errors I made that I wouldn't try to correct my errors and apologize for my mistakes.  If I ignored my boss when he told me I was doing stuff wrong...that i would still have my job?  We make the donations...they should care when a pet owner has an issue with the way they handled a situation.

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"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. Eleanor Roosevelt"

"No one loves you unconditionally as your beloved pet." ~~I have nothing but sympathy for those that can't relate.

Wardsha wrote:

Thank you Snoopyagain....you got my point.  I just wanted to make sure that people are aware of this.  I don't ever want to see anyone lose a furry baby because they believed the SPCA.  I want to make sure if someones baby is lost they GO IN AND LOOK...because I know alot of people would believe them...and why not they are they for animal protection...right... WRONG..PAYCHECK...Thanks for understanding.

Almost sure that  is what you ment by the blue line, right? That they are there for the paycheck and that's it.

I am not saying that you did wrong by warning people, but what got to me is the way you decided to go upon it. I do trust and will more than likely always trust the SPCA. Yes mistakes are made by them but they are human too, just like the kids that let the cat out. Yes informe people about going in and asking to see the animals instead of taking their word over the phone. We all got that. It's the "Don't trust the Moncton SPCA" that got us rattled. If everyone would take up that attitude, where would the lost animals, stray animals, unwanted animals go?

But I would still like to know if she appreciated that her cat was there? If not for the SPCA, where do you think her cat would have been? Do you think she would have found her cat?  

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How many times was it brought up how little they made???  I could care less how much or little they make.  You choose your career.  If you have a job no matter if it is volunteer or a paycheck...you do everything you can.  I said that out of anger from being bashed for my god speaking my mine on a public board. I worked as an office manager for a non profit organization that did co-ops for kids....I WAS PAID VERY LITTLE...where the kids not taken care off?  forgotten?  not given back to their parents?  If we misplaced one or didn't know which one was at the camp...is that okay???  No we had records...databases with all information on them.  I actually give a damn about animals and care they have a home...and want all owners to find missing pets. It's a shame that pet owners aren't outraged about the thought that a cat could have been put down because of this.  But to me a pet isn't a pet...it's family...I guess that is where we differ. Maybe if you take out SPCA replace it with social services and replace cat with my child...maybe then you will see why this is an issue I think should be taken seriously and making pet owners listen and my god care. Do the social services have to keep proper records of kids picked up...location...descriptions...etc...? If you called social services and said do you have my kid...they said no...and a week later you find out they had your child this whole time...and even picked the kid up on the same street that you gave them?  This would be okay...it would be a bad thing to find this upsetting???  I guess I have to accept that not everyone views animals they way I do.

I dont care if their are 500 cats a day brought in...you should have proper records.  What colors...markings...collars...AREA...they came from....so when somone calls the person on that phone should be able to say...yes we picked up two from that area...or we have 10 that color...or 2 with those markings....if they cannot be done...they should make the caller AWARE OF IT.  I do not think it's okay for a pet to be put down when the owner was desperatley searching.....I feel really bad that the "pet lovers" on this board aren't upset or disdraught about that idea. This could have been a huge OOPS.

If you do something to me that could have caused the loss of someone I love...and I no longer trust you...where am I wrong?

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"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. Eleanor Roosevelt"

"No one loves you unconditionally as your beloved pet." ~~I have nothing but sympathy for those that can't relate.

Obviously you will ingore my questions. (was she happy to have her cat back)

Why don't you go work there then and make it a perfect overload place, then there would be no flaws.

Glad you can compaire kids to pets and actually think they are at the same level. If you would have a choice and save either a kid you don't know or your very own cat, which one do you choose? Save you cat or save the kid? Don't you think it's kinda silly to do that kind of comparison? I love animals, don't get me wrong but in no way can a cat, dog, bird etc..be as important as my own flesh and blood.

 

 

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I never said she wasn't happy. Stupid question...she searched for 4 days, called numerous times, walked nightly calling her cat, went in to the SPCA...all because she would be miserable to find her cat.

Wheither it was my cat or her cat ...or someone elses cat. People need to be made aware of just what happens behind closed doors, how do people know the problems if they are not shared. They do do good work but One bad link could have ended the cat's life.  I am not sure how to make my point clearer...I have worded it and reworded...over and over again.

Which would I choose...are you for real?  That is like asking me do I love my husband or my daughter more...or which child do I love more.  Oh hell why don't I decide between my siblings...how about my brother or my son...for the love of god. Wow that is some sad, I feel bad that you just have "cats"...and dont know unconditional love for an animal that will love you till the end of time. You don't value "pets" like I do.  I never said I love them more then my kids...but I love them.  I can't tell you which kid is my favorite either...I just love them with everything I have.  When I had to put my cat down last month I grieved and I still grieve...I didn't grieve any less because it was "just" a cat...I grieved like I did with any other loss of a loved on in my life. Wow...I can't believe anyone on a pet lover board would put the value of a pet on the bottom of the totem pole.  It's a shame you don't have that kind of love for your furry babies.  Everyone in my house loves each animal....like we would love each other.  This is why you can't understand my fear in this situation...you don't understand the value of my pets.

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"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. Eleanor Roosevelt"

"No one loves you unconditionally as your beloved pet." ~~I have nothing but sympathy for those that can't relate.

Chickie, did you read your own post? You were the one to compaire kids with social services to the SPCA, not me. That's why I asked you the question cause I found it just as obsured of you doing that compairisson as of me asking you to choose.

How do you know how much I love my pets? Just because I truly believe the SPCA isn't a bad orginazation (can't spell that either lol) doesn't mean that I love animals any less that you.

I get that you really love animals (I for sure do also). But can you agree that we need the SPCA in our city for the poor animals that are lost, stray, abused etc...

I would not want to see a org. like that go under due to the fact that people stop trusting the only real place for these poor animals. You are so caught up of the run around you got (which you shouldn't have gotten) that you are forgetting that they are there for the good of the community. I'm sure they didn't plan on giving you the run around and of course the issue should be brought up. But to start a post with the title you choose kinda makes people wonder about them.

I am only trying to defend something that we truly need at all time in our city. If you disagree with that, that's your choice. But I will always defend (unless abuse is being done there) the SPCA.

If not for them, where would the cat have been? Hit by a car, someone else would claim him as their own, etc.. I mean yeah they could have a better system, but they don't. As I stated before, why don't you go give them a hand and figure out a system that would work for all?

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If you would have a choice and save either a kid you don't know or your very own cat, which one do you choose?

I was stating I would not chose.  I love both. 

am only trying to defend something that we truly need at all time in our city.

I never said we didn't need them.  I even said the did good...they just need changes. I never said they should be shut down or closed.  I never condemned them.  I said don't trust them on the phone.  If you read my very first post.....it was saying the run around I got.  As much as the fact my cat was let out was wrong...so was what they did.  If I can accept my responsibility of that and do my best to make sure it never happens again...as well as they should.

I was merely pointing out what was wrong with the organization.

I tried to help...they didn't care about my opinion.

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"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. Eleanor Roosevelt"

"No one loves you unconditionally as your beloved pet." ~~I have nothing but sympathy for those that can't relate.