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If you're talking about MightyDisciple's comment to me, I don't like the comment becuase I don't think it's fair.

How about this. You are all going to hell because the God I believe in says all white people are going to hell. It was written in the bible that was handed down directly from God to me. I am a prophet. Blah Blah Blah.

Prove that this didn't happen. I bet you can't.

And that's why I don't like it. You're not playing fair.

Cautiouslizard wrote:

Not to start anything Dan but you didn't have to quote mroc and not have any point of your own expect for pointing out to MightyDisciple what mroc wrote.

I didn't see where either one of us had been answered when asked to provide proof. You can quote the Bibles but that ain't proof. It's just what you believe in.

Dan, be a dalring and come up with some hard evidence for me please. Thanks your such a doll

mroc wrote:

If you're talking about MightyDisciple's comment to me, I don't like the comment becuase I don't think it's fair.

How about this. You are all going to hell because the God I believe in says all white people are going to hell. It was written in the bible that was handed down directly from God to me. I am a prophet. Blah Blah Blah.

Prove that this didn't happen. I bet you can't.

 

And that's why I don't like it. You're not playing fair.

WWJD wrote:

Cautiouslizard wrote:

Not to start anything Dan but you didn't have to quote mroc and not have any point of your own expect for pointing out to MightyDisciple what mroc wrote.

I didn't see where either one of us had been answered when asked to provide proof. You can quote the Bibles but that ain't proof. It's just what you believe in.

Dan, be a dalring and come up with some hard evidence for me please. Thanks your such a doll

It makes no difference what is given... mroc resorts to ad hominem attacks on MightyDisciple who did NOT attack mroc.

Simply go to mroc's posts and see what he states.

It's classic ad hominem.

WWJD wrote:

mroc wrote:

You and I know the reason he offers no proof. It is because he doesn't have any. They ignore simplicity because they are so scared of mortality. They've created a way out in their minds, which would be fine enough if it weren't for the fact that it is an irresponsible way to live. If it didn't affect others I wouldn't mind, but it causes so many problems around the world. I'm just so tired of it.

MightyDisciple, read this: An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument.

MightyDisciple, here's what mroc said: You and I know the reason he offers no proof. It is because he doesn't have any.

MightyDisciple, this is called an ad hominem attack... he assumes he knows "you have no proof", so he attacks your evidentary foundations without knowing you in the least.

MightyDisciple, here's what mroc said: They ignore simplicity because they are so scared of mortality.

MightyDisciple, this is another ad hominem attack...

MightyDisciple, here's what mroc said:  They've created a way out in their minds...

This is again an ad hominem attack.

MightyDisciple, this shows that Mroc cannot debate or discuss based ono logic or facts; he resorts to attacking you with baseless assumtioopns on your CHARACTER, which people will do when they feel they are losing the battle.

They will deny this, but nonetheless, it's still classic ad hominem, and shows you will NOT be able to logically reason with such a man, as he shows no reason, but only attacks you thus far with foolish statements consisting of what only he will deny: ad hominem attacks.

You will get nowhere with such people.

I havce learned a lesson: Never try to reason with an unreasonable man.

Cautiouslizard wrote:

MighyDisciple Still did give any proof. Those are just your words. How do you know for sure I have to ask Jesus? How do you know for sure I HAVE to read the Bible? How do you know for sure God will be more than happy to prove he's the absolute truth? 

Cuz he's done it for me.I used to hate Christian and anything to do with the bible.If i'd see the jesus fish or a christian sticker on your car you bet i'd tell you off.One of my all time favorite bands was SLAYER.Now this was only really in the last 4years.A couple years before this i started reading the bible.I was searching for something more in life,I was a musician in a rock n roll band<Love to party hardcore.But nothing was satisfing me.And my wife wanted me to start thinking about our futur.So i did.Eventually anyways.Got to work, started aquire things.Bought a house new truck,Going to Concerts,travelling,running my own business,Two beautiful kids, all kinds of riches when i think about it now.But i still wasn't really that happy.Then we hired a christian,to work for us.At this time i didn't hate christians yet.Worked with this Christian for a couple years and we didn't get along so good he didn't really make me want to be christian at all.he actually made me hate christianity.or what i though christianity was all aboutI even thanked him one time for helping me never to want be a christian.Then we let him go cuz we could just not get along. More to the story but i'll leave it at that.Anyways ,started messing up again Drugs,lying to my wife etc etc...Then one day i come home and my wife decided  she had enough.She's gone ,kids too.Ans this time she was serious.It was really over this time.And i knew this time i could'nt say i'll never do it again, cuz she caught me doing stuff over and over.I was out of luck.I love my wife and kids more than anything and did not want to lose them.But what could i do this time?I decided i was gonna leave town,So i left,and for some reason i brought my bible with me.While i was driving,and balling my head off,thinking what the heck i was thinking cuz at this point i didn't know,cuz i just lost evrything,I decided to stop.And have a smoke.Look at my bible that was there and taugh GOD if your real or not i'm gonna give you a try.I Ask jesus to come into my life.Finished my smoke.Sat there for a second ,Lit another smoke up,then all of a sudden  i felt peace,It was weird,nothing miraclous,just calmness.At that second i knew I could go back to my wife.Got back to my wife told she didn't have to forgive me right now but things were gonna be ok I just knew i had God this time.She said ok.Then after a couple weeks,which nobody in mine and her family believed what had happened to me cuz i was so on fire for god those couple of weeks.That it was unbelievable.My wife started not liking the new me.cuz i was being to good.She wanted to leave me again.Then after 4 months of persistent prayer.She gave her life to christ.Now there's some proof if you knew my wife.The more you trust God the more he reveals himself to you.God has already proven himself to the world.God his waiting for you .That's part of my story anyways.

WWJD is trying to paint a picture of me by using the word "attack", when infact all I really did was presume. I presumed that when I used the word "they"..you would undertsand who it is I mean by "they". I guess I should not make this assumption, but to use the word attack is deceiving.

An attack is to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon. I hardly consider what I said to be any of these.

At this point I feel shame for helping to steer this thread in a direction away from why it was created in the first place.

MighyDisciple wrote:

Cautiouslizard wrote:

MighyDisciple Still did give any proof. Those are just your words. How do you know for sure I have to ask Jesus? How do you know for sure I HAVE to read the Bible? How do you know for sure God will be more than happy to prove he's the absolute truth? 

Cuz he's done it for me.I used to hate Christian and anything to do with the bible.If i'd see the jesus fish or a christian sticker on your car you bet i'd tell you off.One of my all time favorite bands was SLAYER.Now this was only really in the last 4years.A couple years before this i started reading the bible.I was searching for something more in life,I was a musician in a rock n roll band<Love to party hardcore.But nothing was satisfing me.And my wife wanted me to start thinking about our futur.So i did.Eventually anyways.Got to work, started aquire things.Bought a house new truck,Going to Concerts,travelling,running my own business,Two beautiful kids, all kinds of riches when i think about it now.But i still wasn't really that happy.Then we hired a christian,to work for us.At this time i didn't hate christians yet.Worked with this Christian for a couple years and we didn't get along so good he didn't really make me want to be christian at all.he actually made me hate christianity.or what i though christianity was all aboutI even thanked him one time for helping me never to want be a christian.Then we let him go cuz we could just not get along. More to the story but i'll leave it at that.Anyways ,started messing up again Drugs,lying to my wife etc etc...Then one day i come home and my wife decided  she had enough.She's gone ,kids too.Ans this time she was serious.It was really over this time.And i knew this time i could'nt say i'll never do it again, cuz she caught me doing stuff over and over.I was out of luck.I love my wife and kids more than anything and did not want to lose them.But what could i do this time?I decided i was gonna leave town,So i left,and for some reason i brought my bible with me.While i was driving,and balling my head off,thinking what the heck i was thinking cuz at this point i didn't know,cuz i just lost evrything,I decided to stop.And have a smoke.Look at my bible that was there and taugh GOD if your real or not i'm gonna give you a try.I Ask jesus to come into my life.Finished my smoke.Sat there for a second ,Lit another smoke up,then all of a sudden  i felt peace,It was weird,nothing miraclous,just calmness.At that second i knew I could go back to my wife.Got back to my wife told she didn't have to forgive me right now but things were gonna be ok I just knew i had God this time.She said ok.Then after a couple weeks,which nobody in mine and her family believed what had happened to me cuz i was so on fire for god those couple of weeks.That it was unbelievable.My wife started not liking the new me.cuz i was being to good.She wanted to leave me again.Then after 4 months of persistent prayer.She gave her life to christ.Now there's some proof if you knew my wife.The more you trust God the more he reveals himself to you.God has already proven himself to the world.God his waiting for you .That's part of my story anyways.

That is not proof of God. It's proof that you convinced yourself of God.

See while I may not beleive in God, I do understand what faith means....Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

So while everybody here is asking for proof of God, the true beleivers really don't have to give it. They have faith that there is a God and that's all they need. I beleive there is no God, but I really can't prove to someone beyond a shadow of doubt that there isn't one. Doesn't mean there is or isn't just means everything looks different from a different stand point. That's why it's so hard to debate religion. Noone can really completly prove beyond doubt on either stand point.

spyn wrote:

See while I may not beleive in God, I do understand what faith means....Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

So while everybody here is asking for proof of God, the true beleivers really don't have to give it. They have faith that there is a God and that's all they need. I beleive there is no God, but I really can't prove to someone beyond a shadow of doubt that there isn't one. Doesn't mean there is or isn't just means everything looks different from a different stand point. That's why it's so hard to debate religion. Noone can really completly prove beyond doubt on either stand point.

spyn wrote:

See while I may not beleive in God, I do understand what faith means....Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

So while everybody here is asking for proof of God, the true beleivers really don't have to give it. They have faith that there is a God and that's all they need. I beleive there is no God, but I really can't prove to someone beyond a shadow of doubt that there isn't one. Doesn't mean there is or isn't just means everything looks different from a different stand point. That's why it's so hard to debate religion. Noone can really completly prove beyond doubt on either stand point.