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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hogwash?

Last post 10-23-2007, 5:21 PM by Cloudhopper. 15 replies.
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  •  09-13-2007, 4:56 PM

    Harry Potter and the Deathly Hogwash?

    I didn't know where exactly to post this thread, but where else, eh?

    I got this from a relative who's an intensely spiritual Catholic.  I am too...maybe not as much so, though.  But I agree with a lot of this.

    This should get people talking!  It's a long read, but take the time.  Written by a fellow named Mark Mallet:

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    FOR several months, I have been hearing the words of Jesus roll through my heart:

    Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. From now on a household of five will be divided, three against two and two against three; a father will be divided against his son and a son against his father, a mother against her daughter and a daughter against her mother, a mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law… why do you not know how to interpret the present time? (Luke 12:51-56)

    Plain and simple, we are seeing this divide occur before our very eyes on a global scale.

    THE GREAT DECEPTIONS

    There has been a deluge of deceptions over the course of the past two years (see Deluge of False Prophets). But what is most striking is how they are pitting the Body of Christ, one against the other. Most notable is the acceptance of homosexuality as a good, the ready embrace of The Da Vinci Code myths, and now, the growing, almost fanatical support of Harry Potter by committed Catholics.

     

    HERESY POTTER

    One leading American Catholic apologist wrote me recently regarding the Potter phenomenon saying,

    I think it’s so strange how otherwise sensible Catholics have jumped on the bandwagon, forgetting all the Church has said about this issue. Very strange indeed.

    What the Church has said is:

    It is good that you enlighten people about Harry Potter, because those are subtle seductions which act unnoticed, and by this, deeply distort Christianity in the soul before it can grow properly. —POPE BENEDICT XVI (Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger) in a letter to author, Gabriele Kuby regarding her book exposing the dangers of the Harry Potter series ("Harry Potter- good or evil?"); March 7th, 2003

    In a second letter sent to Kuby on May 27, 2003, Cardinal Ratzinger "gladly" gave his permission to make public "my judgment about Harry Potter" (see story at Lifesitenews.com).

    It is remarkable to me, then, that Harry Potter is gaining support from even many clergy. Furthermore, "otherwise sensible Catholics" are defending tooth and nail these novels which are based entirely on witchcraft.

    Witchcraft.

    Think about it: numerous Catholics are rallying around a book and movie series whose basis is witchcraft

     

    CULTURE OF THE OCCULT 

    Then again, it’s not surprising. We live in a culture where the smoke of Satan has entered the Church in various "harmless" forms such as Yoga, Reiki, Labyrinths, and the Enneagram. They have found their way into Catholic churches, convents, conference centers and schools. Of course, these aren’t harmless as many claim. They have their roots in paganism and new age philosophies (which have their roots in demonic inspirations), and have led many unsuspecting people into spiritual bondage. Thus, the Vatican’s recent warning and condemnation of these "harmless" activities (see Jesus Christ: The Bearer Of The Water Of Life). 

    It doesn’t mean everyone who reads Harry Potter or sits in a yoga position is going to be led into spiritual bondage. But if these things have their roots in spiritual systems opposed to God, is a soul giving Satan even a small foothold through these "subtle seductions?" We need to listen to the Magisterium in these matters. And neither would it hurt to listen to what the chief exorcist of Rome has to say, a man who has dealt firsthand with those who have dabbled in "harmless" activities:

    Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil…  By reading Harry Potter a young child will be drawn into magic and from there it is a simple step to Satanism and the Devil. www.Lifesitenews.com, March 1, 2006

    Do we believe an exorcist who has had to deliver many souls who started in such seemingly innocent pursuits such as Dungeons and Dragons or Ouiji Boards, and ended up in serious spiritual bondage? Do we ignore his experience, and that of many lay ministers (some of whom I know personally) who have dealt in the occult, and who are sounding LOUD alarms over Harry Potter? The truth is, spells, curses, and hexes are very real, and as the American apologist pointed out to me, some of the spells used in Potter derive from real sources. Is it harmless, then, for an eight year old to repeat real incantations (or templates for them) while reading Potter or in playtime with other Potter groupies? I seriously doubt it.

    Growing up in a good Catholic home does not guarantee a child’s immunity to evil’s seductions. How much less is that spiritual immunity when we encourage interest in activities which God strictly condemns. Indeed, it has been reported that Wiccans are very grateful to the Potter series for increasing their membership and general interest in witchcraft. According to one online forum, Wiccans are noting that Rowling ‘"got her magic right" and that it was all very "accurate."’

    Harmless?

    Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. (Matt 18:6)

    I have only seen one case of possession in my years, a woman about 5 feet tall. She growled and hissed on the floor at our feet. It took five grown men to carry her tiny frame from the room. The root of her possession?

    Witchcraft. Her sister had cursed her.

     

    BABYLON’S ENTERTAINMENT

    I have been in and around broken souls for over thirty years, and know the effects of the aforementioned are real and serious. "It’s just harmless fantasy and entertainment," some will insist (not to mention their further comparisons of Harry Potter to a type of Christ, and its themes echoing John Paul II’s Theology of the Body! Why are we surprised? Satan does not reject, but rather, apes Christianity. Satan does not wish to eliminate "God"—he wishes to replace Him.)

    What does Scripture say about entertaining ourselves with seemingly harmless activities such as fortune tellers or the witchcraft of Harry Potter?

    Happy indeed is the man who follows not the counsel of the wicked; nor lingers in the way of sinners, nor sits in the company of scorners, but whose delight is the law of the Lord and who ponders his law day and night. (Psalm 1)

    Christ not only calls us not to partake in the occult, but also to avoid "lingering in the way of sinners nor sitting in the the company of scorners." As Christians, we are to "put on the mind of Christ." That is, we should not be found lingering in the deathly hallows of witchcraft and the occult for entertainment. Harry Potter uses witchcraft to achieve good in a tale which ultimately leaves one wishing and desiring that he use his magic arts to win. However, the end does not justify the means, and this is the dangerous line which is blurred, so subtly, so attractively.

    Christ calls us to fill our minds with light. Just because Britney Spears’ life is smeared across the internet does not make it alright for us to soak in the gossip. Because witchcraft has been fictionalized does not make it any less offensive to God. I am having a difficult time bridging the argument of those who say that witchcraft is wrong, but reading about it for entertainment is just fine. It’s no different than arguing that adultery is wrong, but reading about it in a steamy romance novel for entertainment’s sake is fine. 

    Scripture calls us to delight in the law of the Lord "day and night." That is, we should fill our minds with truth, beauty, and virtue. This is why the "Rings" novels do not fall into this category. The lines of truth, beauty, and virtue are not blurred.

    It is worth noting that of course, Harry Potter, Brokeback Mountain, and The Da Vinci Code are going to be engaging, entertaining, and smart, if not brilliant.  Satan does not show up in a red costume with horns, but in smart packaging, beautiful movie scores, captivating cinematography, and compelling story telling. As author Michael O’Brien recently put it, 

    We might also consider for a moment the fact that no sane parents would give their children books which portrayed a set of "good" pimps and prostitutes valiantly fighting a set of "bad" pimps and prostitutes, and using the sexual acts of prostitution as the thrilling dynamic of the story. By the same token we should ask ourselves why we continue to imbibe large doses of poison in our cultural consumption, as if this were reasonable and normal living, as if the presence of a few vegetables floating in a bowl of arsenic soup justifies the long-range negative effects of our diet. —www.Lifesitenews.com, August 2oth, 2007

    Indeed, when I recently saw Harry Potter novels in a bookstore, they were sitting next to manuals on how to cast genuine spells, curses, and hexes. 

     

    THE GREAT DIVIDE

    Herein lies the purpose of this writing. As I pondered the growing spiritual fogginess within members of the Church, this "slow dance with the devil" in our modern culture (whether souls realize it or not), I heard the Lord telling us once again to "Come out of Babylon!"— not to celebrate it.

    I also heard a warning, a very difficult warning:

    This present division is only a sign of the painful Great Divide which will come upon the earth. Close friends, family members, and colleagues will divide, one against the other. The temptation to accept the solutions and logic of Satan’s "new world order" will be nearly irresistible, and those who oppose them painted as completely ludicrous and illogical.

    Mary is the Ark of safety which I am providing to protect and guide souls through the storm.

    Only by responding NOW in this time of grace will souls be able to endure—indeed, pass through the coming trials—with wisdom and clarity. For God is permitting a Great Deception over the earth to sift the weeds from among the wheat. I say it again, the graces to discern truth and falsehood are being given now in this time of grace to fill the lamp of our souls with the light of Christ (see Matthew 25:3-4 and The Smoldering Candle). They are being given primarily through prayer, and strengthened through the Sacraments (prayer opens our hearts so that Jesus can fill them with forgiveness, healing, and His very Self in the Eucharist.) For those who have ignored the signs of the times, and chosen instead to loiter in the deathly hallows of Babylon, it will become increasingly difficult to awaken to their danger, and for many it will be too late. God’s Mercy is vast and deep, but it is soon to culminate in a time of Justice, which is the ultimate mercy, because He will not permit evil to continue devouring the good indefinitely. 

    For God is sending them a deceiving power so that they may believe the lie, that all who have not believed the truth but have approved wrongdoing may be condemned. (2 Thess 2:11-12.) 

    Is the timing of the Potter series just coincidence, given that Jesus warns us that a False Prophet(s) will arise who will deceive through sorcery (see Matt 24:24; Rev 13:11-14)? Is Harry Potter "softening" a generation for his "white magic"?

    I am not condemning those who read Harry Potter. But in this present darkness of our times, we must be cautious of two things: being found asleep, or being lulled asleep by the dazzling neon lights of Babylon and it’s seductive melodies.

    Harry Potter is yet one more of those lullabies of the Night.
     

    See to it that no one captivate you with an empty, seductive philosophy according to human tradition, according to the elemental powers of the world and not according to Christ. (Col 2:8)

     

    Published in: DAILY JOURNAL, SIGNS | on September 12th, 2007 |

  •  09-20-2007, 10:22 PM

    Re: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hogwash?

    just out of curiosity I am wondering if your daughter or her friends read the Potter books.

    I just find it hard to believe that this author is pushing witch craft or pitting Satan against the Catholic Church.

    Sometimes a book is just that..a book....a fantasy...a daydream put into words...nothing more than a novel.
  •  09-21-2007, 12:25 AM

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    Great post, Clouhopper!

    It's great also to see many RC's standing against the Harry Potter fad which is infiltrating young impressionable minds!

    Many in the Evangelical world are also crying out against this type of witchcraft, and I can only say to each one standing up for God's Word:

    Praise God!
  •  09-21-2007, 7:07 AM

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    it only a stupid make believe movie  where everyone nothing like it will ever happen       it a fiction and witchcraft movie   made for viewing enjoyment nothing else 

    i hate rats

    tit for tat
  •  09-21-2007, 7:25 AM

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    I never saw a HP movie or read a HP book. I'm not even sure what the story is really all about. With all the hype HP gets I guess I just never felt the urge to jump on the band wagon and rush to check it out.
    Remember yesterday, respect tomorrow, live for today.
    Where is WWJD?
  •  09-21-2007, 7:35 AM

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     i never read the books  but saw some of the movies   (stuck watching it )


    and all i saw was a good fiction   or make believe world 

    i hate rats

    tit for tat
  •  09-21-2007, 7:42 AM

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    I might read one of the books or watch one of the movies someday.....Maybe after they stop shoving it in people's faces on a lot of tv commercials. When a movie comes out a person shouldn't see it pushed and pushed at them 24 hours a day sometimes in every second or third tv commercial. I think I'll go camping for two months the next time Lord Of The Onion Rings comes out with a new movie.
    Remember yesterday, respect tomorrow, live for today.
    Where is WWJD?
  •  09-21-2007, 7:44 AM

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    yep that is true   ,just rent one of the old  movie  

    i hate rats

    tit for tat
  •  09-21-2007, 9:39 PM

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    Starry wrote:
    just out of curiosity I am wondering if your daughter or her friends read the Potter books. I just find it hard to believe that this author is pushing witch craft or pitting Satan against the Catholic Church. Sometimes a book is just that..a book....a fantasy...a daydream put into words...nothing more than a novel.

    Kinda late on this one.  Sorry!

    My daughter does not read those books, no.  Neither do any friends of hers that I know of.  We keep an eye and ear on what she reads and hears and keep her informed on why we don't like a lot of things.  We're actively involved in our daughter's upbringing.  Some things she likes we cna't stomach, like that Miley Cyrus stuff and all that, but we see it and don't see anything wrong with it.

    Starry, the author may or may not knowingly be "pushing witchcraft".  In any case, witchcraft is the centerpiece of these books.  Impressionable young minds are still forming, and defining the line between reality and fantasy.  We want to keep an eye on that line ourselves, because we're caring parents.

    Sure, a book can be just a book.  But how are kids to know that?  Should we just take it for granted that they're smart enough to know something like the Potter books are just stories?  Most kids are smart enough.  But then you get kids talking.  Some kids without parents quite as watchful, making them more vulnerable, may get into witchcraft because of those books (you can get those kinds of books pretty well anywhere, without getting carded or anything).  If you believe in the spirit world at all, then you know that's incredibly dangerous dabbling.

    What I'm really saying here is, respect the spirit world.  It's God's realm, but it's not without His enemies.  We're teaching our daughter that respect.

  •  09-21-2007, 9:43 PM

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    Cloudhopper wrote:

    My daughter does not read those books, no.  Neither do any friends of hers that I know of.  We keep an eye and ear on what she reads and hears and keep her informed on why we don't like a lot of things.  We're actively involved in our daughter's upbringing.



    You seem like agreat dad, Cloudhopper!
  •  09-21-2007, 9:45 PM

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    Thank you, sir.

    Back atcha.  bounce [bounce]

  •  09-21-2007, 10:22 PM

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    Cloudhopper wrote:

    Starry wrote:
    just out of curiosity I am wondering if your daughter or her friends read the Potter books. I just find it hard to believe that this author is pushing witch craft or pitting Satan against the Catholic Church. Sometimes a book is just that..a book....a fantasy...a daydream put into words...nothing more than a novel.


    Kinda late on this one. Sorry!


    My daughter does not read those books, no. Neither do any friends of hers that I know of. We keep an eye and ear on what she reads and hears and keep her informed on why we don't like a lot of things. We're actively involved in our daughter's upbringing. Some things she likes we cna't stomach, like that Miley Cyrus stuff and all that, but we see it and don't see anything wrong with it.


    Starry, the author may or may not knowingly be "pushing witchcraft". In any case, witchcraft is the centerpiece of these books. Impressionable young minds are still forming, and defining the line between reality and fantasy. We want to keep an eye on that line ourselves, because we're caring parents.


    Sure, a book can be just a book. But how are kids to know that? Should we just take it for granted that they're smart enough to know something like the Potter books are just stories? Most kids are smart enough. But then you get kids talking. Some kids without parents quite as watchful, making them more vulnerable, may get into witchcraft because of those books (you can get those kinds of books pretty well anywhere, without getting carded or anything). If you believe in the spirit world at all, then you know that's incredibly dangerous dabbling.


    What I'm really saying here is, respect the spirit world. It's God's realm, but it's not without His enemies. We're teaching our daughter that respect.



    So would you put "Mary Poppins" in the same catagory? Do you think kids are smart enough to figure out if Mary Poppins is real or not? She does fly around with her umbrella and it is infered that she has some kind of magical powers or witchcraft.
    Personally I think Bart Simpson is a worse influence on young children. I wonder why they are even allowed to watch it. Most adults I talk to think the show is funny....I think its disgusting..but just my opinion..

    PS...I know you are a devoted Dad ...I just wondered how much peer pressure there was around in regards to the potter frenzy.
  •  09-21-2007, 10:28 PM

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    ppersonallyif i would stop kids from watching harry potter itwould not be because of withcraft it would be because of the killing ,the bulliyng ,and the many sexual hints involved in them   ...because  my grand kids now the difference beetween  make believe and real so witchcrafts is make believe to them  and me also
    but the rest they see in everyday life and are just learning the right and  wrongs about it

    i hate rats

    tit for tat
  •  09-21-2007, 10:31 PM

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    Ha.... I'm afraid Mary Poppins and Harry Potter are probably birds of a different feather though, Starry!  Not to be disrespectful.  I just don't remember Mary Poppins casting spells and invoking evil spirits and stuff into the story.  The difference is, I'd watch that with my kid. 

    I agree with the Bart Simpson thing.  But I don't think The Simpsons is a show tailored to kids to begin with.  I won't let my little girl watch that or Family Guy or a lot of those shows.  I just don't think it's good for kids... or more specifically, my kid.  I'm not a fan of either show.  But The Simpsons is pretty clever sometimes without being offensive.  But, like you, it's not my cup of tea either.

     

  •  09-21-2007, 10:40 PM

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    I personally didn't care for the Potter storyline..however even though Mary Poppins didn't cast spells the inuendos were there. And that Family Guy show...I would be embarassed to watch that with a child in the room....I don't even understand how they can call that a "cartoon"....but your original post had to do with the Catholic Church and I just wonder if that gets blown out of proportion.
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